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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:Bigchick wrote:
Am comforted by the fact that DG Kilifi had contact with his boss Kilifi Governor and the Governor did not get it. Meaning coming into contact with a carrier does not mean you automatically get it.
It think the notion that being in contact with an infected person automatically means that they will pass the disease is misguided by the narratives out there. We need to get back to the basics of this disease and forget things like spraying the streets or mass sanitizers (cattle dips for people) that have very doubtful science behind them. Remember the disease is spread when you intake the virues via your mouth, nose and eyes. How does it get there? mostly through the hands and that is why people are asked to wash their hands (not touch your face - if you can). How does it get to the hands? someone sneezes or coughs into the hands. The second means is spread through the air in short distances (coughing, sneezing or 'speaking'). but ideally, these would be in symptomatic cases. Touching surfaces that have been exposed to the viruses and then TOUCHING YOUR FACE. Will lead to a possible infection. The average transmission rate of Covid-19 is such that 1 infected person infects between 2 and 3 people. Things chickenpox and measles have this transmission rate of between 10-12 and 12–18 respectively. the dangerous thing about this disease is when the person becomes infectious - the asymptomatic transmissions and mild cases transmissions happen to be the problem. the other diseases usually transmit when the patient is symptomatic. Masukuma, you told us correctly that there are no corona experts. Now you seem to be an expert! Me thinks we are better off overreacting to this virus(spraying streets, wearing masks, avoiding contact) than being cavalier about it like Boris.(Maybe, some expert had told Boris that he could do anything so long as he sanitises at the end of the day) For new info is still coming in.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. There's no probabilities in wearing masks, doctors wear masks and gloves to protect themselves from infections that patients carry. Patient 31 of South Korea did not shake 5000 hands, they spread the virus from singing, that ability of the saliva to turn aerosol is what accelerated the spread. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:Bigchick wrote:
Am comforted by the fact that DG Kilifi had contact with his boss Kilifi Governor and the Governor did not get it. Meaning coming into contact with a carrier does not mean you automatically get it.
It think the notion that being in contact with an infected person automatically means that they will pass the disease is misguided by the narratives out there. We need to get back to the basics of this disease and forget things like spraying the streets or mass sanitizers (cattle dips for people) that have very doubtful science behind them. Remember the disease is spread when you intake the virues via your mouth, nose and eyes. How does it get there? mostly through the hands and that is why people are asked to wash their hands (not touch your face - if you can). How does it get to the hands? someone sneezes or coughs into the hands. The second means is spread through the air in short distances (coughing, sneezing or 'speaking'). but ideally, these would be in symptomatic cases. Touching surfaces that have been exposed to the viruses and then TOUCHING YOUR FACE. Will lead to a possible infection. The average transmission rate of Covid-19 is such that 1 infected person infects between 2 and 3 people. Things chickenpox and measles have this transmission rate of between 10-12 and 12–18 respectively. the dangerous thing about this disease is when the person becomes infectious - the asymptomatic transmissions and mild cases transmissions happen to be the problem. the other diseases usually transmit when the patient is symptomatic. Masukuma, you told us correctly that there are no corona experts. Now you seem to be an expert! Me thinks we are better off overreacting to this virus(spraying streets, wearing masks, avoiding contact) than being cavalier about it like Boris.(Maybe, some expert had told Boris that he could do anything so long as he sanitises at the end of the day) For new info is still coming in. I am not an expert... I am observing this thing play out as you are. What I am reminding people is that BASICS WORK. I think we love spectacular and unproven things.... BASICS BWANA! Explaining how the MAJORITY of the cases are transmitted - coughs, sneezing etc is not attempting to be an expert. I think we should not have spectacular but dubious measures that make us forget basics... UNDERSTANDING HOW MAJORITY OF THE CASES ARE SPREAD is critical to fighting this disease. Let's wash hands, use sanitizes, use masks, sanitize surfaces and we shall reduce the R0 of this disease. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. There's no probabilities in wearing masks, doctors wear masks and gloves to protect themselves from infections that patients carry. Patient 31 of South Korea did not shake 5000 hands, they spread the virus from singing, that ability of the saliva to turn aerosol is what accelerated the spread. yes - no one doubts that wearing of masks by care givers prevents them getting infected (the gloves aspect is debatable... how do gloves stop you from touching your face?). Remember Patient 31 is the root of the 5000 infections but not the immediate source of their infection. What do people do in church? they hug, greet each other, speak at close range. Secondly, do you remember - she went to a buffet? touching spoons that others come and handle? BASICS BABA!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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Someone tell MOH there is a quarantine app used by South Korea, that a person in isolation can mandatory install which will track GPS et all. Kenyans are married to thier phones, so if you leave your locale say by 100 meters Dr. Matiang'i cannes u. I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. There's no probabilities in wearing masks, doctors wear masks and gloves to protect themselves from infections that patients carry. Patient 31 of South Korea did not shake 5000 hands, they spread the virus from singing, that ability of the saliva to turn aerosol is what accelerated the spread. yes - no one doubts that wearing of masks by care givers prevents them getting infected (the gloves aspect is debatable... how do gloves stop you from touching your face?). Remember Patient 31 is the root of the 5000 infections but not the immediate source of their infection. What do people do in church? they hug, greet each other, speak at close range. Secondly, do you remember - she went to a buffet? touching spoons that others come and handle? BASICS BABA!! Epidemiologist suggest the majority of the people she infected were from the church. Not that she shook their hands or kissed them but from the singing. That has been explained in the video up there, on how saliva in a room with windows closed can defy the laws of gravity. Now i will not argue with science. If you have worn gloves you are bound to be conscious that there's something on your hands no? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Another 2 cases from Tz.(out of the total 5 announced today) Yet our neighbour's numbers are hardly increasing!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. There's no probabilities in wearing masks, doctors wear masks and gloves to protect themselves from infections that patients carry. Patient 31 of South Korea did not shake 5000 hands, they spread the virus from singing, that ability of the saliva to turn aerosol is what accelerated the spread. yes - no one doubts that wearing of masks by care givers prevents them getting infected (the gloves aspect is debatable... how do gloves stop you from touching your face?). Remember Patient 31 is the root of the 5000 infections but not the immediate source of their infection. What do people do in church? they hug, greet each other, speak at close range. Secondly, do you remember - she went to a buffet? touching spoons that others come and handle? BASICS BABA!! Epidemiologist suggest the majority of the people she infected were from the church. Not that she shook their hands or kissed them but from the singing. That has been explained in the video up there, on how saliva in a room with windows closed can defy the laws of gravity. Now i will not argue with science. If you have worn gloves you are bound to be conscious that there's something on your hands no? Yes - Dr. Amoth agrees with me. They don't stop you from touching your face. They are to be used by medical practitioners. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. There's no probabilities in wearing masks, doctors wear masks and gloves to protect themselves from infections that patients carry. Patient 31 of South Korea did not shake 5000 hands, they spread the virus from singing, that ability of the saliva to turn aerosol is what accelerated the spread. yes - no one doubts that wearing of masks by care givers prevents them getting infected (the gloves aspect is debatable... how do gloves stop you from touching your face?). Remember Patient 31 is the root of the 5000 infections but not the immediate source of their infection. What do people do in church? they hug, greet each other, speak at close range. Secondly, do you remember - she went to a buffet? touching spoons that others come and handle? BASICS BABA!! Epidemiologist suggest the majority of the people she infected were from the church. Not that she shook their hands or kissed them but from the singing. That has been explained in the video up there, on how saliva in a room with windows closed can defy the laws of gravity. Now i will not argue with science. If you have worn gloves you are bound to be conscious that there's something on your hands no? Yes - Dr. Amoth agrees with me. They don't stop you from touching your face. They are to be used by medical practitioners. A few days ago Dr Amoth had told people not to wear masks. After a reporter asked him why people in Asia are wearing masks he said they wear masks as a culture...his statement did not even last a week before it was quashed. As a doc he seems to think that only docs wear masks yet masks are worn in industries, in farms as a protective gear. SMH. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.
Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia. The use of masks has been highlighted as a POSSIBLE reason why Asia slowed the rate of infection. As WHO and US/UK discounted the use of masks, people in S.Korea Hongkong were busy purchasing the same. Am now not looking at the no of deaths so much as the number of those recovered. UK is raising eye brows Correlation does not mean causation! Remember the structure of society in the east and the west is different? goverments also acted faster in the east. South Korea, Taiwan and the US all reported the first case on the same day. Mass testing earlier in the infection also played a role. I agree that masks are likely a FACTOR but not the only thing that determined the different tragectories. There's no probabilities in wearing masks, doctors wear masks and gloves to protect themselves from infections that patients carry. Patient 31 of South Korea did not shake 5000 hands, they spread the virus from singing, that ability of the saliva to turn aerosol is what accelerated the spread. yes - no one doubts that wearing of masks by care givers prevents them getting infected (the gloves aspect is debatable... how do gloves stop you from touching your face?). Remember Patient 31 is the root of the 5000 infections but not the immediate source of their infection. What do people do in church? they hug, greet each other, speak at close range. Secondly, do you remember - she went to a buffet? touching spoons that others come and handle? BASICS BABA!! Epidemiologist suggest the majority of the people she infected were from the church. Not that she shook their hands or kissed them but from the singing. That has been explained in the video up there, on how saliva in a room with windows closed can defy the laws of gravity. Now i will not argue with science. If you have worn gloves you are bound to be conscious that there's something on your hands no? Yes - Dr. Amoth agrees with me. They don't stop you from touching your face. They are to be used by medical practitioners. A few days ago Dr Amoth had told people not to wear masks. After a reporter asked him why people in Asia are wearing masks he said they wear masks as a culture...his statement did not even last a week before it was quashed. As a doc he seems to think that only docs wear masks yet masks are worn in industries, in farms as a protective gear. SMH. Let me leave this link here: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/ataglance/844/The virus is very likely airborne hence the role of masking cannot be gainsaid.
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