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Rank: Member Joined: 8/14/2008 Posts: 107
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another day in kenya.
same bullsh**.
the fact that a frustrated minister has quit does it mean the millions facing starvation today go to bed with full stomachs?does it mean that our kenyans at the border are nolonger being harrassed by ugandans?..
Gravity; Its not just the law,its reality.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Martha Karua is following Kibaki's footsteps.
He resigned from govt once upon a time. Went through difficult times in opposition then he became president.
There is a chance she will become president one day.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/12/2008 Posts: 58
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Martha's resignation is good riddance to bad rubbish. 2006 she blocked the appointment of some judges under the guise that one them was not clean only to emerge later she had a grudge withone of the appointees. MK then obliged.
Fast forward,after defending Kibaki in the 2008 post election squabbles she thought she would be appointed the deputy PM but poltics being a game of numbers MK so it fit to appoint UK instead. She then teamed up with her two b/fs(Kamana and Mla mamba) who misled her to believe she could be Kenya's next president. Realising she has no following,she went rubbishing every one from ruto,wako,gicheru which begged the question,politics being the art of buliding bridges with your enemies,what was her 2012 strategy for her ill perceived dream?
Its a pity she has decided to resign at this trying moment for the coalition. Being a saddist she thinks MK will loose sleep for that. MK has been around in politics for about half a century and her resignation wont shake any hair on his head! Given her arrogance,know it all attitude and the need to seek heroism she has ended her illustrous career by stroke of her own pen. I wish her all the best in her political oblivion and requset MK to appoint a more abled person to the position preferably a man for a change.
die trying
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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Moibutu,I am sure Muhoho will be selected.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Looking at Karua's strategy to become president,one wonders where on earth she will get the votes. I mean,if all she thinks of political networks and alliances that will bring in votes are the Mungatana's and Kamama's of this world,then i think she could be imbibing banned substances. She clearly needs to remail relevant upto 2012 if she can realistically take a stab at the presidency,and i dont see how she will manage that. Seek ye first the finacial kingdom,and all else shall be added unto you. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/7/2007 Posts: 168 Location: Nairobi
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@moibutu
who are you and what do you stand for? Martha is one person who stands by her principles,whether people agree with her or not. when she stood her ground then,it was right at that time.
when she stands her ground now,it is still right. question is,would you have the kind of guts she has? my guess; you fall far short from it.
she is my constituent leader,that's why we elect her,cos we know the substance she is made of. she does not need to be liked by you or all Kenyans,but we like her and that’s what counts. she does not need to be president in 2012,if being president means undermining her principles. she'd rather keep her integrity than lead with a bunch of cowards and double minded,greedy leaders who amount to nothing but grand confusion.
the voice of reason
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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@Moibutu Good analysis man. But the bit on who to be appointed,mmmmm. Why such a dim view of our ladies. We have some very capable ladies. It's not about gender,it's learning to be a team player and not biting the hand that feeds you. Despite her illustrative resume and career,Karua scored poorly on those two fronts. She also seemed to grossly over estimate her political credentials. Talk of 'throwing her non existent weight around',familiar,huh. B.timer Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/12/2008 Posts: 58
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@ Mkristo,When you say Martha has left a 'bunch of cowards and double minded leaders' l thought you were discribing Martha herself. She started throwing tantrums once MK denied her a chance to join the top echelon of the 'bunch of cowards' as deputy PM.
Martha's resignation is just a quest to be hero. Unfortunately for her Kenyans are clever and cannot fall into her silly tricks.Resignation out of priciple would have been the best thing to do. But which principles does she stand for? Name one and l will show you a liar.
Instead of rubbishing her collegues and throwing mud to the likes of Gicheru she should be busy giving Kenyans a road map on new constitution and working with MK to ensure the implementation of agenda 4.
Like them or hate them,Moi's political students the likes of saitoti,kalonzo and UK seems to be the only survivers of the Kenya's murky political waters. Martha should learn from the trio that for one to survive in Kenya's politics,patience,loyalty to the boss and keeping your mouth shut are the key to survival.
Well,l suggest the somber minded safina MP abdulkir to be appoined for the seat.
die trying
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Karua's strategy will be to provide the people of central kenya a moral highground out of the current sh*thole they are trapped in with the Kibaki fiasco. Other communities will not trust UK or Saitoti so she feels that if she plays victim alongside other kenyans,she may be accepted. I can actually see her winning the after river Chania GEMA vote while UK keeps the kiambu,Nyandarua,RV one. Perfect split right down the middle. Not sure which way the Meru's will go. Oops,Saitoti will get kajiado North I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/7/2007 Posts: 168 Location: Nairobi
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Ok Moi
I will not fully object your views. You must,though,agree with me on one thing... I think,by Martha's resignation,we've lost a golden opportunity to have gotten the work of the new constitution done,and done well,and at the right time.
She said it clearly,she was frustrated. By who? by people who want to manipulate the writing of the new constitution to suit their selfish ambitions,such as we have seen in parliament. Her principle? She cant watch Kenyans being deceived that work on the new constitution is being carried out when she knows very well it is a lie.
You may not see her point now,but wait until they get somebody else on that seat,and you will perhaps appreciate why she took the move. May be then,you will give her some credit.
You never know what you have until you loose it,but they also say that you never know what you are missing until you loose what you have. I cannot tell you right now which one of this statement applies to Martha,but time will tell.
the voice of reason
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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Moibutu,its good to see where you are coming from. Ati we should all follow the example of,did you say Saitoti?
Kweli you have been sent to destroy our mental faculties?
I would hate to be close to any place you work. Wewe ndio wale watu who go around selling your workmates. Did you say,you should follow your boss and keep your mouth SHUT? I hope you were jocking.
However,I doubt it. Seeing you have very progressive views on choosing only men and that Kibaki is infallible. At least the ODM loyalists have accepted that Karua has guts. Now the PNU elements stand up and be counted. Ati Kibaki is what did you say again? I am amazed you can even type let alone know there is anything like the internet. Are we all supposed to sit down and watch Kibaki rule?
Like Obama said,you are on the wrong side of history. As we speak,Karua has beaten all the PNU and ODM madmen in their own game. She will forever be MP of her area. In the meantime,you can continue being led by another old man who is slowly showing that he cannot lead. For such a sexist statement,you should be hiding yourself in bed since it seems a woman who just beat your old men in their own game.
Go Karua!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 1,267
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At least She brings 'resign' in to kenyan politicians dictionary I mean fundamental analysis,you get me? Fundamental analysis of a business involves analyzing its financial statements and health,its management and competitive advantages,and its competitors Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,095 Location: Nairobi
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Pole you got upset but it is true... I am a city boy so i do not identify with the shago stuff but the voting patterns were apparent. Remember that ka-loser was definitely a spoiler in the 2007 elections. Of course,Central Kenya did go for PNU/kibz. Nyanza was mainly to ODM/raila but they got votes from other provinces as well. On the other hand ka-loser's votes were mainly from Ukambani & changamwe (Coast). He has NO national appeal. Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@ Mkristo,When you say Martha has left a 'bunch of cowards and double minded leaders' l thought you were discribing Martha herself. She started throwing tantrums once MK denied her a chance to join the top echelon of the 'bunch of cowards' as deputy PM. She may not have been appointed to join the 'top echelon' but she was in the cabinet and a full minister. If she was an Asst. Minister,we would have said she 'resigned' because she was not made a full minister.
Martha's resignation is just a quest to be hero. Unfortunately for her Kenyans are clever and cannot fall into her silly tricks.Resignation out of priciple would have been the best thing to do. Dint we sing the 'heroes' song when kalembe brought it to light that Asst. Ministers are paid to do nothing... How do you do your work when the people you work with are appointed by your boss without even your knowledge... isnt that contempt to the same ministers that kibaki has appointed... if Kibs felt she was not capable of doing her job,why didnt he sack her for inefficiency? But which principles does she stand for? Name one Corruption.... name one case she has been implicated ...and l will show you a liar.
Instead of rubbishing her collegues and throwing mud to the likes of Gicheru (every Kenyan admits that the judiciary is rotten. Gicheru was appointed by MK so Martha cant touch him... why has he not done anything to reform it? Why have we not heard him say that he has tried but he has constraints? i believe its because he is serving the interests of his masters.... masters who should be serving kenyans but who are busy serving themselves. she should be busy giving Kenyans a road map on new constitution and working with MK to ensure the implementation of agenda 4. How do you work with a boss who does not respect you? MK does not despise her because 'she does not have principles'. its because his interests under Karua are not safe.... he is a beneficiary (just like his clique) of corruption.
Like them or hate them,Moi's political students the likes of saitoti,kalonzo and UK really? seems to be the only survivers of the Kenya's murky political waters. Martha should learn from the trio that for one to survive in Kenya's politics,patience Like Saitoti??? with an ambition to be president,you got work for it... not lick boots all your life,loyalty Like UK or Wiper? is any of the politicians loyal or are they just schemers? to the boss and keeping your mouth shut Did Kibaki really do that with Moi? Has Raila done that this far? are the key to survival.
If Kibaki hand-picks anyone,you can be so so so sure that he is going to loose the elections... very very sure of that. The only saviour would be 'rigging'... which i am sure they frustrated Karua for so that no reforms are made to ensure an equal play ground.
Well,l suggest the somber minded safina MP abdulkir to be appoined for the seat.
Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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I am really impressed by karua. She really has the balls and resigning is a big step. Whether you think it was for political mileage or because it was on principle karua has shown more balls than most politicians and dare i say most men in kenya.
PS: How many of you would resign your job because your tyrant of a boss is making life difficult. Please raise your hand.
Karua now has time on her hands to raise a storm as she please,and she is good at it,but i would advice that she
Takes her campaign to the people and more so people outside central. Grass roots campaign from town to town. Not necessarily this stupid public bazara where they speak down to people but going to a town stopping at the mama mboga talking and ingia a local kiosk etc etc.
Start to raise money. Karua doesnt fall into the wealthy group of politicians eg uhuru,biwott,saitoti etc etc. She need to start raising money smartly sambaza,website,etc She should also create a network of kenyans who she regularly updates and are potential sources of revenue for her campaigns.
Show us a way! Not a grand scheme of political manifestos that are forgotten once the polls are through.
Identify like minded politicians and reformist in the the constituency who are working with the people. Guys who are busy helping people. We need an overhaul of the civic and paliamentary system. She should create her team starting now on people with principles or people who the communities have faith in. If she can tap into the kenyan psyche which is so tired with politicians and there false promises. Kenya might actually have president with balls came 2012.
I now think/ hope she has a chance. She had better start her campign I dont have to see her on TV to feel her presense.
Comparisons of karua and with kamotho is unfair. Karua has balls while kamotho .... well he doesn't.
SK A.L.U.M.N.I (Alcoholic Liason and Undergarments Manager of Nakedness Internationally)
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/3/2008 Posts: 12
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Karua for President. There goes my vote. ....be it unto me according to your word ohh God! The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But, unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do. - Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Just like sometimes tribal feelings get the better of us in alligning our political support,so does gender issues - always creeping in,in total disregard of the merits and demerits of the issues before us. I dont know if thats good or bad. May be it's in our genes. I must admit though,that the gene leaning towards the tribal pull is dominant,especially when a situation arises where a choice has to be made. What a society we have. Things arent always the way they look like Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/24/2008 Posts: 238
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If Kenyan politics was not so tribal,the biggest losers in the Karua resignation would have been ODM and Raila because it would spotlight their hypocrisy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Obi true to form claims: 'Karua's strategy will be to provide the people of central kenya a moral highground out of the current sh*thole they are trapped in with the Kibaki fiasco.'
You realise we will have to select a leader from Kenya..She is a good leader for Kenya ..I'm sorry it may come from a tribe you despise..it's disappointing these are the first thoughts that crop into some minds when presented with viable candidates...suggest useful alternative candidates instead of the usual poopsology..meanwhile ni wengi,deal with it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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If Karua plays her cards smart she is in the offing to being either a president or the king maker with keys to state house.
Our political landscape in view of our current constitution etc we are going to have to rely on coalition goverments for the foreseeable future. The parties will continue to split even further. Kibaki and his ilk think the current constitution will protect the status quo hence have no drive to change much.
If karua plays her cards right and takes herself to the people in the villages and appeals to common sense and a spirit of nationalism she can muster alot of sits in the house for her party and that is teh key to
In as much as i hate personality politics,we are not at a level to vote on issues based merit alone,regional and tribal views have to be taken into account. Sadly!
SK A.L.U.M.N.I (Alcoholic Liason and Undergarments Manager of Nakedness Internationally)
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