1. Racism is just as bad as tribalism. Only those who are benefiting from tribalism don't think so. Those of us who are victimized by tribalism don't see it as any different from racism.

2. Colonial taxes were used to build schools, roads, airports, houses, railways, stadiums and other infrastructure. The Muzungu put the infrastructure to much better use than Mwafika has done.

Institutions like Kenyatta hospital were built for Africans. Mwafrika has not built anything of that stature.

All the stadiums in Kenya were built by Muzungu. Only Kasarani and Nyayo were built after independence.

Most low income public housing in Nairobi was built by Muzungu. Mwafrika has left housing to individual landlords and slumlords to build substandard houses.



Jomo, Moi, Kibaki and UK have all committed genocide as well. I would venture to say they have killed more Kenyans than Muzungu ever did.

Waggalla masscare 1984, Kisumu Massacre 1969, Likoni Massacre 1991, Land clashes, PEV 2008, all the people killed during political protests , all the political prisoners killed and so forth .................

But the white man grabbed the whole of kenya, a whole 580,000km2 or 481 million acres and designated it as crown land to do as he wished and put the natives in native villages to provide slave labour to the white mans coffee, tea, sugarcane, cotton, sisal etc farms and ranches. How could land grabbing get worse than that where a foreigner grabs a whole country?

You also need to realize that that was a different time. It was during the era where you could conquer a territory and make it yours. The Romans did it, Alexander the Great, British even tried to conquer North America... The sad thing about now is that the land grabbers are our own people and going against the law. The reason it is so hard to win these many cases against colonization and slavery is because it was not against any law. Most will just remain to be very dark chapters of history, from even before the days of Jesus and that's all. Never forget that the human race is the most evil species on earth.

The white man did not grab all of Kenya. he simply declared it part of the British empire. A declaration that had little impact on most Kenyans. In fact for many Kenyans their encounter with the white man was about the white man converting him to Christianity and making them go to school.

My grandparents would've been illiterate peasants had they not been forced to go to school. In fact in my area, muzungu went around from home to home forcing parents to send their children to school during the 1930s and 1940s. Those Mwafrika who showed aptitude in school were sent to the UK to study how to govern the country. Some were sent to military academies in the UK. Some were sent to police academies and some were sent to Polytechnics. A lucky few were sent to Universities in the UK. So muzungu did not just want to exploit Kenyans. He had a long term view. He wanted Kenya to be part of the British empire but give Mwafrika the ability to properly govern his own territory. By the late 1950s, Kenyans were being given key positions in govt. As I said, Matiba was appointed PS.


Muzungu built hospitals, schools, Universities, housing , stadiums and other infrastructure specifically for Mwafrika. In fact when KNH was built, it was called Native civil hospital;

The slave labor issue is overblown. Africans actually gained food security because they learned better animal husbandry and crop production. Infant mortality rates were reduced significantly due to better access to health.

Kenya becoming a British colony was not a bad thing on balance. We benefited from it more than we lost.

Today there are some countries that are still colonies or territories of Western Nations

USA has: Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands ....

The UK Has : Montesserat, Bermuda, Anguilla, Cayman, Virgin Islands ......

France has : Guadeloupe, Martinique, Mayotte, Caledonia, Re Union ......

Ask any of the Mwafrikas who live in these territories whether they would like Independence and 80% will give a resounding NO. They have seen the mess other countries have created with Independence.

On evidence, it appears Kenya would be better off if we were still British territory. We likely would have the same freedoms we have today but the country would be better run.

I disagree with the notion that Mwafrika is less intelligent. However I think most of us are incapable of good governance. We think that having a member of our tribe in power is more important than good governance. Thats one reason why Mwafrika countries are sheet-holes.

We lack the willingness to plan ahead and delay gratification. Thats why when a Mwafrika leader engages in corruption, he pretty much loots everything in sight without any regard for what might happen in the future.

I am not disagreeing on your point that black leadership has been bad, nay, terrible.

I'm disagreeing with your insistence that like for like our leaders are far worse than the Brits. The Brits killed far more than our post Independence governments.

From the time of using force to gain territory, using force to punish (The British in their punitive expeditions killed thousands in the whole country)...

Matiba was only appointed PS in the run up to Independence. We already had Africans running the executive in concert with the governor even before he became PS. His appointment was part of the Africanisation drive those days.

And yes, it was very possible to keep 3 tribes in concentration camps. It happened. Soldiers were all over plus the police and tribal police. Remember even Idi Amin was part of the army sent to crush the Mau Mau??

The soldiers were many, very many from KAR(where Amin served), the British Army, settler volunteers, police and tribal home guard.

So were people kept in prison like Kamiti? No. They were kept in walled concentration camps. Their homes were destroyed & burnt. From then on, movement into and out of these camps was controlled. There was a gate through which you entered the village and in many cases even the time one could leave the camp was limited to a few hours...like going to the fields, with escort & they'd hurry you up even before you could be done with your chores.

Not prison? Yes but very close. When you look at starvation, beatings,rapes & killings in the camps, it amounts to worse than prison!

Senior Chief Koinange wa Mbiyu was a wealthy man in his own right much richer than most British settlers in Kenya at the time who were kawaida middle class. I think he had over 600 acres of prime Kiambu land. The koinange ancestral was much larger than that before the British grabbed it. That's why he flew to London around 1930 to protest and we ended with Carter land commission. When his son was accused of Chief Waruhiu's murder he brought a barrister from London for the trial and mzunguz were shocked. Chief Koinange could pay American education for his son Mbiyu. America was the cheaper option for miros.

My grandfather not related to the Koinange used to afford high school education in India and Uganda and university in South Africa in 1940s. He got a tender to supply the British troops with food during WWII. So the Brits were not that bad but the local Brit settlers were petty-never liked a black man to succeed.

The Brit settlers were also corrupt. You should read the Rose Commission on corruption scandals in Nairobi when they were given grant money by the British govt to put up african housing in Ofafa and Mbotela. They cut corners with the indian contractors. They sold plots set aside for fire stations

This is very true. They zoned off the white highlands as european only settlement areas. The locals were thus pushed from their lands to villages (staff quarters on european farms) to provide labour for the european farms. The coffee zones (which were in central kenya) were particularly prized because at the time coffee was very lucrative on the world market and was called the black gold.

Outside the white highlands (i.e mainly central and parts of RV), many locals would not have felt the impacts of colonisation. Infact they may even praise the white man like @radiomast is doing because the only white men they saw in their areas were the missionaries and the DOs/DCs who were building schools and hospitals and forcing locals to go to school.

NB: Nyanza and western werent settled because the white man feared malaria. The lowlands in eastern and southern kenya were arid and not suitable for crop cultivation and some areas also had tse tse flies and thus not suitable for ranching and therefore the white man made many such areas game parks for hunting and tourism. Also narok and kajiado had been reserved for the maasai after they were moved from laikipia to enable white settlement. Northern kenya (i.e beyond isiolo town), turkana, marsabit, northeastern etc were special operation zones where no white men or outsiders were allowed in except for the colonial administrators. Those areas were termed as the northern frontier district and in some of the areas, it was where the british were fighting the italians during the 2nd world war. The area was also notorious for raids particularly from ethiopian tribes.

The white man's plan was to turn kenya into the next new zealand or australia or canada where the natives were subjugated and lived as second class citizens....or even exterminated.

Im not sure where you got your number that 12K to 20K lives lost.

But if true then the Mwafrika is even with Mkoloni

1982 Coup: 150 dead
1984 Wagalla Masscare : 5000 to 10,000 dead
1991 Land clashes: 1500 dead,
1992 Molo clashes: 5000 dead
1997 Likoni Violence: 104 dead
2008: PEV 1500 dead
2017: Post election violence 100 dead

Not to mention the hundreds more killed everytime there is a political protest and the mysterious deaths of people like Adungosi, Musando, Jacob Juma, .......

I actually agree with you that our first set of leaders were the biggest disappointment. They set Kenya on the wrong path.

Which is why I said that on balance, it might have been better if Independence was delayed until Mwafrika understood how to govern for the people.

The first set of leaders created a culture where people in power governed for themselves and their immediate famililes. Not for the people. Thats why today you see the grandchildren of Mbiyu Koinange fighting over an inheritance worth Ksh 14 Billion.

It would be much better if these billions were used for the betterment of Kenya e.g. building roads, hospitals etc. We have threads on wazua of people decrying the state of Kenyatta hospital and the poor state of roads and traffic.

It is precisely because our country ingrained a culture of looting. Everyone who assumes a leadership position goes in with the mentality that they have to loot as much as possible. Even people who are already wealthy like Kidero and Sonko.