City commission used to have 300+ garbage trucks. Currently nairobi county govt with all devolution billions has around 30 trucks.

City commission was disbanded in 1992-28 years on you want to blame present mediocrity on Moi. The man did his best for Nairobi and made me proud and boastful to be a nairobian. Even Barrack Obama had some nice things to say about Nairobi of them days. Let Nyayo rest in peace.

Wukan and Alma must both be illiterate. They obviously can't read.

I never once blamed everything on Moi. I am simply rejecting Wukan's statement that things worked in the 1980s. They did not.

In fact things started to seriously fall apart in the 1980s. That was when garbage collection started to be sporadic then eventually ended. Water shortages started during the Moi error as did other problems such as incessant traffic. They have gotten worse since then.

Nairobi's problems cannot be pinned down on one person. We have had a succession of presidents and other leaders who have only made things worse.

The root cause of the problem is not as simple. Take garbage collection for example. Why was it possible to collect garbage in the early 1980 and not now? The answers are myriad.

1. Succesive administrations including Jomo and Moi allowed grabbing of land for road reserves.
2. THis led to the cities inability to construct roads as needed
3. This had led to massive traffic jams
4. Because roads are narrow garbage tracks can't manouvre
4b. Due to traffic jams, garbage trucks would spend far too much petrol on roads. This makes garbage collection an expensive endeavour
4c. Due to poor road maintenance, the cost of maintaining garbage trucks is massive.

5. Housing estates and connecting roads were not built with a master plan that accounts for garbage collection. Therefore many estates in Nairobi are inaccessible to garbage trucks.

What Moi did with Gachanja the land's Commissioner in grabbing land all over Kenya & add Kuria wa Gathoni for Nairobi land is unforgivable. Let us call corruption out, if we are serious, dead or alive.

As I have said many many times. Let me repeat.

Most people don't read. They let baba read for them.

Case in point about the 80's economy. Even Ndii will agree that it was the IMF and their stupid structural adjustment program that destroyed the Kenyan economy. Even the IMF has confessed.

They did it to spite African countries to bring them to their knees. Go read, I'll not read for you.

As for the Ndungu report. I have been very categorical on this forum to the point of chasing a fake architect from this forum that it should be implemented in total.

But

Saying it was Moi is the biggest lie one can tell themselves.

Every tribe, each and every leader you are busy voting for right now and even voters participated with their heart and souls. From every tribe and every village.

Moi was not alone. If you have time, read it. You shall see that you, you and I mean you right now vote for someone implicated in that report.

I hate corruption.But I shall not sit here as nitwits try to change history to blame all the problems in Kenya on one man. That is madness.

I personally blame every Kenyan who wakes up in the morning to vote for these madmen. It's your fault.

And Moi is still better than anyone you would have picked. The proof is the past 20 plus years of absolute madness.

Moi is not the first Kenyan to be posthumously blamed for Kenyans' woes

Jomo Kenyatta, Saitoti, Biwott even the likes of Kiereini have had threads started here discussing their legacies

None of these other people had as much influence on the future of Kenya like Moi had. Being president for over 24 years means his decisions must have directly affected every Kenyan alive today. This influence is of course both negative and positive. If people feel he was negative, let them be.

On SAPs, it's interesting how little discussion goes into this. And international commodity prices like coffee. I've always thought we blame Moi unfairly for collapse of some sectors. Though I was reading a Jaindi Kisero article on the collapse of farmer institutions like KPCU. It put the blame on Moi.

Moi didn't just dish out houses. He also dished out tracts of land to his cronies within city environs. For example Sunview Estate on Mbagathi way was given to general Mahmoud Muhammad supposedly for stopping the fake coup. Muhammed then proceeded to build Sunview estate which was so poorly constructed that some of the houses had cracks on the wall within months after being occupied. The Ministry of health was forced to buy the houses to house KNH doctors.

This dishing out of parcels of land is one of the factors that contributed significantly to the fact that Nairobi is so poorly planned. As I said above, this was often land that in the original Nairobi master plan was meant for road expansion, fire stations, police stations, drainage channels etc.

If Moi was so good as Wukan is claiming, he should have at least insisted on sticking to Nairobi's original master plan.

Again I am not blaming Moi for everything. All four Kenyan presidents and the people who supported them are to blame.

Try saying that to IDPs who saw their relatives being killed and property destroyed after your nyayo sent his warriors with bows and arrows to remove madoadoa.

This lying in state business should be done away with, not necessary at all.

He is telling Wazuans. Don't you read? Aren't the same IDPs who voted in TNA, the other KANU? Is it not ruling? This is what @alma is telling you

Hear, hear.