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Fyatu
#21 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 8:58:12 AM
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I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 9:40:50 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!


Smells of Boniface Mwangi...
Kenyans are slowly getting tired

BBI will solve it :)
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Fyatu
#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:31:39 AM
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2012 wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!


Smells of Boniface Mwangi...
Kenyans are slowly getting tired


You can say that again my brother.
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Angelica _ann
#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:49:50 AM
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Judiciary reforms is a tall order in Kenya, smile because it benefits the elite on both sides.

Look at that Babu's bail ruling, it doesnt look right to me on my understanding of what bond/bail is. Any lawyer (@maka's handles KQ & T/Bonds/Bills onlysmile )in the house to interpret for us that ruling and any precedent(s).

Activism requires continuous and sustained activities - cant be managed in the current political environment.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:29:25 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
Justice delayed is justice denied so goes the platitude...

This thread will act as an experiment that counts how many days it takes for high profile corruption and murder cases to be concluded in our Kenyan justice system, how long it takes from arrest to conclusion/conviction. Just to be clear, a conviction verdict can either be guilty or not-guilty.

Fortunately or unfortunately i will start with the clear cut case of attempted murder by Hon. Babu Owino who shot a DJ at B-club this morning(17-101-2020).

Today 17-January-2020 will count as day 1(one) for this case.The objective is to find out how many days this case will take from today until it is concluded by the courts.

As we speak these are the cases of interest...

1. Mike Sonko corruption case is now 43 days old(arrested on 6th December 2019)

2. Ferdinad Waititu case is 173 days old(arrested on 28 July 2019).

3. Samburu Governor Moses Kasaine Lenolkulal case is 290 days old(arrested on 2nd April 2019).

4. Okoth Obado high profile murder case is 429 days old(arrested on 14 November 2018).

5.Lillian Omollo Mbogo et al NYS-2 corruption case is 599 days old(arrested on 28 May 2018).

6. Evans "Kipindu pindu" Odhiambo Kidero corruption case is 266 days old(arrested on 26 April 2019).

7.Michael Kamau corruption case is a staggering 1690 days since hearing started(case started on 2 June 2015).

8. Disgraced Henry Rotich case - he of abracadabra guesswork fame and Arror kimwarer dam scam is now 178 days old(arrested on 23 July 2019).

There are many more cases i might have left out.

In particular, I have deliberately left out Jowi(woman eater) case because unlike the others listed above,he is picking sabuni for hardened sex starved convicts in kuma-ya-ndege(Kamiti Maximum) but for the sake of fairness, his case has been lying in Kenya's korti bandia for the past 476 days ever since he was presented in court.

The other day Ibrahim Akasha's Narcotics case was concluded in a record 328 days in the USA and he is now reflecting about his criminal life in a maximum security US penitentiary.

Ni hayo tu kwa sasa...let the counting begin

Great initiative bro! Please add Assa Nyakundi and Cohens.
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Wakanyugi
#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:48:20 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!


Fyatu I have a thought.

How about creating a website that places a day tracker on each case once started. Many Kenyans are tech savvy now and this could be used to create popular pressure on Maraga and his gang.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:10:55 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Judiciary reforms is a tall order in Kenya, smile because it benefits the elite on both sides.

Look at that Babu's bail ruling, it doesnt look right to me on my understanding of what bond/bail is. Any lawyer (@maka's handles KQ & T/Bonds/Bills onlysmile )in the house to interpret for us that ruling and any precedent(s).

Activism requires continuous and sustained activities - cant be managed in the current political environment.


The man was let out as long as he pays the bills (that 10M is to be paid in installments. 2.5M first batch of which Ombeta said they are to take away 600K paid to the hospital) Then he went on to tell him not to consume alcohol or have narcotics during this period
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 6:30:17 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!


Fyatu I have a thought.

How about creating a website that places a day tracker on each case once started. Many Kenyans are tech savvy now and this could be used to create popular pressure on Maraga and his gang.


This!!!
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Fyatu
#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:16:17 PM
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Sansa wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!


Fyatu I have a thought.

How about creating a website that places a day tracker on each case once started. Many Kenyans are tech savvy now and this could be used to create popular pressure on Maraga and his gang.


This!!!



Another brilliant suggestion. It is a steep call but very achievable.
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#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 29, 2020 7:17:17 AM
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#31 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:07:18 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Sansa wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
I am happy to know that Kenyans of goodwill have put up banners across all roads in Nairobi castigating Maraga and his lazy Judiciary. I call on all wazuans of goodwill to say no to delayed justice in Kenya. Tell a friend to tell a friend.

Mobilize and organize. VIVA!


Fyatu I have a thought.

How about creating a website that places a day tracker on each case once started. Many Kenyans are tech savvy now and this could be used to create popular pressure on Maraga and his gang.


This!!!



Another brilliant suggestion. It is a steep call but very achievable.


Can this be crowd funded?
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#32 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2020 3:03:14 PM
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From another thread...
The Solai dam tragedy: Court sets suspects free over ‘lack of commitment’ by DPP

I think the DPP office needs to bear this cross surely!!! Very unfortunate that a Public Prosecutor to be this lazy... Can the judge hold him in contempt for not appearing in court?
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tycho
#33 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2020 5:16:16 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:

From another thread...
The Solai dam tragedy: Court sets suspects free over ‘lack of commitment’ by DPP

I think the DPP office needs to bear this cross surely!!! Very unfortunate that a Public Prosecutor to be this lazy... Can the judge hold him in contempt for not appearing in court?


1. The Judiciary is a political institution that plays politics using law, procedures, technicalities, rituals and symbols as media of exchange

2. The executive is a political institution that uses the armed forces ministries, and county/local administration and her symbols for exchange

3. Legislature is a political institution using debate, posturing, alliances and partisan/bipartisan interest for exchange

These three institutions are meant to attain a single vision. Balance of power is for attaining a common vision.

Therefore, an executive based judicial body will make a political move corresponding to its situation, and the judiciary will reciprocate and make no fuss of it.

Case scenario:

Would you acquit the accused, compensate victims and encourage investment; or would you convict and sentence for life and deprive victims compensation?

A political decision must be made, and it may not be so acceptable at face value.
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Thitifini
#34 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2020 6:48:48 PM
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tycho wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:

From another thread...
The Solai dam tragedy: Court sets suspects free over ‘lack of commitment’ by DPP

I think the DPP office needs to bear this cross surely!!! Very unfortunate that a Public Prosecutor to be this lazy... Can the judge hold him in contempt for not appearing in court?


1. The Judiciary is a political institution that plays politics using law, procedures, technicalities, rituals and symbols as media of exchange

2. The executive is a political institution that uses the armed forces ministries, and county/local administration and her symbols for exchange

3. Legislature is a political institution using debate, posturing, alliances and partisan/bipartisan interest for exchange

These three institutions are meant to attain a single vision. Balance of power is for attaining a common vision.

Therefore, an executive based judicial body will make a political move corresponding to its situation, and the judiciary will reciprocate and make no fuss of it.

Case scenario:

Would you acquit the accused, compensate victims and encourage investment; or would you convict and sentence for life and deprive victims compensation?

A political decision must be made, and it may not be so acceptable at face value.

I love it when you talk English @tycho

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