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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Waititu impeached by Senate!!! Moral of the story. Don't use the words "honestly speaking" in your statements. Even Wambora was impeached by the senate The Wabora case raised the bar pretty high but our MCA's and Senators seem not to have read the memo. For impeachment to stand, the crimes on which it is based have to first be proved by a competent authority, namely a court of law. The Senate is not a court of law. All Waititu needs now is a good lawyer. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Njunge wrote:Murkomen says the law was violated in impeaching Waititu. Three key violations; 1. County assembly seating not considered by Senate 2. Constitutional timelines not followed. 3. Guy wasn't given chance to place defence. Wambora precedence can be used to throw the process out on technicalities.
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The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case. Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment "Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable," Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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Thitifini wrote:Njunge wrote:Murkomen says the law was violated in impeaching Waititu. Three key violations; 1. County assembly seating not considered by Senate 2. Constitutional timelines not followed. 3. Guy wasn't given chance to place defence. Wambora precedence can be used to throw the process out on technicalities. Why Waititu is disadvantaged, he is out of the system. He wont succeed. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. Judge Onyiego says law was not followed and he will not swear Nyoro, someone stopped reggae but for how long?we dont know Life is an endless adventure
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freiks wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. Judge Onyiego says law was not followed and he will not swear Nyoro, someone stopped reggae but for how long?we dont know  Haki Kenya is full of comedy. So Waititu is still gafana Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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freiks wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. Judge Onyiego says law was not followed and he will not swear Nyoro, someone stopped reggae but for how long?we dont know When did he say that? Has the case been presented to him yet? How did he decide on a matter which is not yet in court? At least in Embu, Wambora obtained a court order stopping the swearing in. I actually hope that the Court annuls the impeachment so that Kiambu voters can feel the full effect of their choice Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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freiks wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. Judge Onyiego says law was not followed and he will not swear Nyoro, someone stopped reggae but for how long?we dont know Hapo judge amefanya politics sasa...
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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The Judge actually has a good reason to recuse himself from the swearing-in since he is the one handling Waititu's corruption case. There is nothing about the merit of the impeachment. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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kaka2za wrote:The Judge actually has a good reason to recuse himself from the swearing-in since he is the one handling Waititu's corruption case.
There is nothing about the merit of the impeachment. The judge has not reclused himself. There are other matters of the law which have not been complied with. https://www.kenyan-post....t-stops-deputy.html?m=1
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Queen wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Judge actually has a good reason to recuse himself from the swearing-in since he is the one handling Waititu's corruption case.
There is nothing about the merit of the impeachment. The judge has not reclused himself. There are other matters of the law which have not been complied with. https://www.kenyan-post....t-stops-deputy.html?m=1
Judge argued that the swearing in was hurried and not gazzeted. Now it is done and Nyoro could be sworn in tomorrow at 10am. Waititu prayers to stop the event will be heard two hours later. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:Queen wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Judge actually has a good reason to recuse himself from the swearing-in since he is the one handling Waititu's corruption case.
There is nothing about the merit of the impeachment. The judge has not reclused himself. There are other matters of the law which have not been complied with. https://www.kenyan-post....t-stops-deputy.html?m=1
Judge argued that the swearing in was hurried and not gazzeted. Now it is done and Nyoro could be sworn in tomorrow at 10am. Waititu prayers to stop the event will be heard two hours later. I am now puzzled how will things will end up today. I tried to tell the kiambu people that kabuffalo was the best to finish his job but they did not listen. There is a curse with this kiambu politicians. Wambui wa mushahara her first agenda in parliament was to raise her salary.but we all knew waititu was greedy but not that stupid. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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mpobiz wrote:kaka2za wrote:Queen wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Judge actually has a good reason to recuse himself from the swearing-in since he is the one handling Waititu's corruption case.
There is nothing about the merit of the impeachment. The judge has not reclused himself. There are other matters of the law which have not been complied with. https://www.kenyan-post....t-stops-deputy.html?m=1
Judge argued that the swearing in was hurried and not gazzeted. Now it is done and Nyoro could be sworn in tomorrow at 10am. Waititu prayers to stop the event will be heard two hours later. I am now puzzled how will things will end up today. I tried to tell the kiambu people that kabuffalo was the best to finish his job but they did not listen. There is a curse with this kiambu politicians. Wambui wa mushahara her first agenda in parliament was to raise her salary.but we all knew waititu was greedy but not that stupid. I also told people here that Kiambuians will regret not electing Kabufallo nikapewa lecture by that simonkibz dude..he cant even show up now ha! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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James Karanja Nyoro sworn in as the 3rd Governor of Kiambu County joining Nyeri and Bomet. Waititu can go cry wherever!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:James Karanja Nyoro sworn in as the 3rd Governor of Kiambu County joining Nyeri and Bomet.
Waititu can go cry wherever!!!!! Wah. This is some interesting developments. What happens in case Waititu is reinstated by Apeal?
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