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mukiha		#51 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:21:36 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114		yekeyeke wrote: Ephy and Mukiha When Mukiha started the post, he started this as a statement and not a question. This is what i am against. Agreed that Roads will never be enough and so will trains. Roads and Trains have to complement one another. But we CANNOT build rails BEFORE we have build roads. May be the headline of the post should have appropriately been: -Was thika road expansion a mistake? or - Should be build railline next? You have every right to disagree with me; but I have a problem with your choice of language. I chose that heading because it is a statement of my conviction. You may disagree with me; in which case I invite you to give your points of view. If you do it civilly, you might convince me to join your side of the debate. Or, better still, we might discover a new angle to the issue that neither of us had never thought about. yekeyeke wrote: but not to come to the conclusion that thika road expsnion was a mistake simply because you were coaught up in traffic when going shags uring xmas. That's rather presumptuous! Do you know my shags? BTW I don't go shags over X-mas. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Wamutonyi		#52 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:47:44 PM
Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 93		Mistake or no mistake, let us us learn to appreciate other peoples initiatives. We may sing about railway lines that may never come to be. Personally, I believe and fully support what the Chinese are doing on Thika roadbut will kindly ask yekeyeke to restrain his infrated ego.
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mukiha		#53 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:53:15 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114		Another correction: It is not the Chinese undertaking this project! It is GoK and ADB. It just happens that a contractor from China won the tender. Reminds me of the slum lighting project that many thought was an Adopt-A-Light project. Then it came out that it was in fact a CCN project; Adopt-A-Light just happened to win the tender to install the lights...and they were paid about sh2.5m per pole Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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yekeyeke		#54 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:55:16 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2008 Posts: 345		@Wamutonyi I dont have an iflated ego. May be you do. Wachana na thika road imalizwe in peace...... Anyone whow needs a rail can build the same using a PPP.
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mukiha		#55 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:00:23 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114		Haiya-e Why is @yekeyeke so bitter? Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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yekeyeke		#56 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:09:46 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2008 Posts: 345		@Mukiha I am bitter because i know the problems on thika road. I use the road every day of the week. The road needs to be expanded badly. I want to drive my car and to take my kids to school and to go to work and come home every day of the week without suffering in endless sick jams. So when i have to wake up every day at 4am, it become personal when anyone critisizes and throughs matharau at the good work thats being doen there. Other than that mimi najivunia kuwa mkenya.
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mukiha		#57 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:16:21 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114		@yekeyeke; My worry is that the expansion will ease your troubles for two years and then you will go back to waking up at 4am. I am not against your comfort; on the contrary, I am for it. And if I was in charge, I'd have done the rail first. In the time since the works begun, I'd have finished the section from CBD to KU and the people of that zone would already be enjoying the joy of waking at 6.30am and getting to work in CBD at 7.45am Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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mozenrat		#58 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:23:24 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/18/2008 Posts: 796		@Yekeyeke... the answer to your predicament lies in the document you asked us to download and your dreams are actually not at odds with Mukiha's suggestion... ADB recognises in that doc that expansion of the road is not the silver bullet that will sort all your problems. They recognise that matatus are a very inefficient way of moving the masses (some of whom are not as lucky as you are to drive your children)Note that the bank proposes the use of shuttles... Extend that thought and surely you will see that trains are simply longer shuttles that will ferry more of the matatu customers... leaving you with more space on the road to drive your kids.. No doubt the train would not have been enough and the road still required to be expanded but looking at priorities, rail would definitely have been a better solution... The only thing that Mukiha may not have taken into account is the inefficiency and corruption in our govt... Such a big project would have been milked for all its worth and would probably never be completed... or would have gone the Puffet way... At least roads money is beginning to look like small potatoes for our fat cats...
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mukiha		#59 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:26:40 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114		mozenrat wrote: @Yekeyeke... The only thing that Mukiha may not have taken into account is the inefficiency and corruption in our govt... Such a big project would have been milked for all its worth and would probably never be completed... or would have gone the Puffet way... At least roads money is beginning to look like small potatoes for our fat cats... It would cost about the same. See today's Daily Nation. And we could find a Chinese contractor to do it as well. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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mozenrat		#60 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:36:44 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/18/2008 Posts: 796		mukiha wrote: mozenrat wrote: @Yekeyeke... The only thing that Mukiha may not have taken into account is the inefficiency and corruption in our govt... Such a big project would have been milked for all its worth and would probably never be completed... or would have gone the Puffet way... At least roads money is beginning to look like small potatoes for our fat cats... It would cost about the same. See today's Daily Nation. And we could find a Chinese contractor to do it as well. On paper maybe, but drawing a parallel with the work I've seen being done by a lot of consultants... when the client doesn't have a lot of experience in a certain area, there's always a way to charge huge overruns... That's why audit fees are usually not that high.. chances are the client has been audited before... Lakini consultancy fees on the Y2K bug were out of this world, despite the fact that it turned out to be nothing... and that's where the fat cats would have come in... Not that any of the above is an excuse for not doing the right thing
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