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Uhuru will fire Ruto and Appoint Raila as Interim DP
Rollout
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:49:57 PM
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For the last 7 years Uhuru have had to tolerate Ruto's never ending appetite to loot Kenya's resource, he did so because he could not fire him without undermining his own presidency.

Then come Raila, Raila has given Uhuru enough support in parliment and across the country and for the first time, he doesn't need Ruto's support anymore.

I predict that in the next 12 month Uhuru will fire Ruto and appoint Raila as interim DP, other than Eldoret where Uhuru will deploy GSU and Police to ensure security, the country will move on like nothing happened. Uhuru doesn't need Ruto anymore and he knows it.
murchr
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:54:30 PM
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Not with this constitution. He can resign and Ruto takes over as the President as we wait for elections
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Rollout
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:55:20 PM
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murchr wrote:
Not with this constitution. He can resign and Ruto takes over as the President as we wait for elections


Does the constitution say President cannot fire DP?
murchr
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:32:17 PM
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Rollout wrote:
murchr wrote:
Not with this constitution. He can resign and Ruto takes over as the President as we wait for elections


Does the constitution say President cannot fire DP?


Yes. He doesnt even have powers to hire or appoint a DP

Quote:

(5)
The Deputy President-elect assumes office by taking and subscribing—

(a)
the oath or affirmation of allegiance; and

(b)
the oath or affirmation for the execution of the functions of office,

as prescribed in the Third Schedule.

(6)
The term of office of the Deputy President shall run from the date of the swearing in of the Deputy President, and shall end—

(a)
when the person next elected President at an election under Article 136 (2)(a) is sworn in;

(b)
on the Deputy President assuming the office of President; or

(c)
on resignation, death or removal from office of the Deputy President.

(7)
The Deputy President may resign from office at any time by notice, in writing, addressed to the President and the resignation shall take effect on the date and at the time specified in the notice, if any, or if a date is not specified, at noon on the day after the notice is delivered.

(8)
A person shall not hold office as Deputy President for more than two terms.


149.
Vacancy in the office of Deputy President
(1)
Within fourteen days after a vacancy in the office of Deputy President arises, the President shall nominate a person to fill the vacancy, and the National Assembly shall vote on the nomination within sixty days after receiving it
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Rollout
#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:09:52 PM
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6 (b) 0n resignation, death or removal from office of the Deputy President.

Looks like he can be removed from office. So there is mechanism to removed DP from office.
murchr
#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:20:07 PM
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Rollout wrote:
6 (b) 0n resignation, death or removal from office of the Deputy President.

Looks like he can be removed from office. So there is mechanism to removed DP from office.


Quote:
150.
Removal of Deputy President
(1)
The Deputy President may be removed from office—

(a)
on the ground of physical or mental incapacity to perform the functions of the office; or

(b)
on impeachment—

(i) on the ground of a gross violation of a provision of this Constitution or any other law;
(ii) where there are serious reasons to believe that the Deputy President has committed a crime under national or international law; or
(iii) for gross misconduct.


The President cannot fire his deputy and neither can he appoint one.

Quote:

(2)
The provisions of Articles 144 and 145 relating to the removal of the President shall apply, with the necessary modifications, to the removal of the Deputy President.


145.
Removal of President by impeachment
(1)
A member of the National Assembly, supported by at least a third of all the members, may move a motion for the impeachment of the President—

(a)
on the ground of a gross violation of a provision of this Constitution or of any other law;

(b)
where there are serious reasons for believing that the President has committed a crime under national or international law; or

(c)
for gross misconduct.

(2)
If a motion under clause (1) is supported by at least two-thirds of all the members of the National Assembly—

(a)
the Speaker shall inform the Speaker of the Senate of that resolution within two days; and

(b)
the President shall continue to perform the functions of the office pending the outcome of the proceedings required by this Article.

(3)
Within seven days after receiving notice of a resolution from the Speaker of the National Assembly—

(a)
the Speaker of the Senate shall convene a meeting of the Senate to hear charges against the President; and

(b)
the Senate, by resolution, may appoint a special committee comprising eleven of its members to investigate the matter.

(4)
A special committee appointed under clause (3)(b) shall—

(a)
investigate the matter; and

(b)
report to the Senate within ten days whether it finds the particulars of the allegations against the President to have been substantiated.

(5)
The President shall have the right to appear and be represented before the special committee during its investigations.

(6)
If the special committee reports that the particulars of any allegation against the President—

(a)
have not been substantiated, further proceedings shall not be taken under this Article in respect of that allegation; or

(b)
have been substantiated, the Senate shall, after according the President an opportunity to be heard, vote on the impeachment charges.

(7)
If at least two-thirds of all the members of the Senate vote to uphold any impeachment charge, the President shall cease to hold office.
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Rollout
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:38:56 PM
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The removal of president is clear, looks like there is a grey area in removal of the DP. The unless otherwise written somewhere else in the document:

- Necessary modification- is a grey area that will need to be interpreted by the courts.

- Also looks like president can nominate the DP if a vacacy arises

If not defined elsewhere in the document, Uhuru can use the gray area in removal clause( Necessary modification) to claim either, impeachment with simple majority or removal without parliment. he can make the case and have the courts rule on it.



murchr
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:46:35 PM
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Rollout wrote:
The removal of president is clear, looks like there is a grey area in removal of the DP. The unless otherwise written somewhere else in the document:

- Necessary modification- is a grey area that will need to be interpreted by the courts.

- Also looks like president can nominate the DP if a vacacy arises

If not defined elsewhere in the document, Uhuru can use the gray area in removal clause( Necessary modification) to claim either, impeachment with simple majority or removal without parliment. he can make the case and have the courts rule on it.






Nothing is gray
Quote:

(2)
The provisions of Articles 144 and 145 relating to the removal of the President shall apply, with the necessary modifications, to the removal of the Deputy President.
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Rollout
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:11:02 PM
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(2)
The provisions of Articles 144 and 145 relating to the removal of the President shall apply, with the necessary modifications, to the removal of the Deputy President.[/quote][/quote]

Necessary modifications to the removal of the Deputy President is a gray area unless these modification is clearly defined elsewhere in the document.


Don't you think so?
murchr
#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:14:02 PM
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Rollout wrote:
(2)
The provisions of Articles 144 and 145 relating to the removal of the President shall apply, with the necessary modifications, to the removal of the Deputy President.
[/quote]

Necessary modifications to the removal of the Deputy President is a gray area unless these modification is clearly defined elsewhere in the document.


Don't you think so? [/quote]

Modifications are changing the txt from President to Dep President. Otherwise nothing else exists in law
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Fyatu
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:03:10 PM
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The big question that i am asking myself is... what did Ruto do to Uhuru for Uhuru to make this 360 degrees turn around to the extent of wanting to fire him?

On the flip side, what did Uhuru do to Ruto for them to cease being buddies? Shida iko wapi wajameni? Why this about-turn? Githeri media should investigate the cause of this fallout and report huko kwa magazeti. It will form interesting reading and might even expose a major scam in Jubilee government that we are yet to know.

Anyway, i think Chapter 6 paragraph 75 section 2(b) can be used to send daktari back to hawking mahindi choma on Kampala road or better still to "44" where he can cool uji moto, do hard work and receive two strokes of the cane. Kimwarer/Arror scam is enough dossier. Even Linturi's divorce case can be used as evidence to the plunder that has happened in daktari's office.

Baba is already driving a national agenda fully funded by the exchequer and supported by majority of governors. It is glaringly obvious that HE Baba is in a coalition with HE Uhuru as a co-principal and their agenda is BBI and infrastructure/big 4.
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murchr
#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:05:57 PM
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Fyatu wrote:

The big question that i am asking myself is... what did Ruto do to Uhuru for Uhuru to make this 360 degrees turn around to the extent of wanting to fire him?

On the flip side, what did Uhuru do to Ruto for them to cease being buddies? Shida iko wapi wajameni? Why this about-turn? Githeri media should investigate the cause of this fallout and report huko kwa magazeti. It will form interesting reading and might even expose a major scam in Jubilee government that we are yet to know.

Anyway, i think Chapter 6 paragraph 75 section 2(b) can be used to send daktari back to hawking mahindi choma on Kampala road. Kimwarer/Arror scam is enough dossier. Even Linturi's divorce case can be used as evidence to the plunder that has happened in daktari's office.

Baba is already driving a national agenda fully funded by the exchequer and supported by majority of governors. It is glaringly obvious that HE Baba is in a coalition with HE Uhuru as a co-principal and their agenda is BBI and infrastructure/big 4.



What are the details of those dams? And dont tell us about those stories we heard. Do we have documentation anywhere?
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Fyatu
#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:16:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:

The big question that i am asking myself is... what did Ruto do to Uhuru for Uhuru to make this 360 degrees turn around to the extent of wanting to fire him?

On the flip side, what did Uhuru do to Ruto for them to cease being buddies? Shida iko wapi wajameni? Why this about-turn? Githeri media should investigate the cause of this fallout and report huko kwa magazeti. It will form interesting reading and might even expose a major scam in Jubilee government that we are yet to know.

Anyway, i think Chapter 6 paragraph 75 section 2(b) can be used to send daktari back to hawking mahindi choma on Kampala road. Kimwarer/Arror scam is enough dossier. Even Linturi's divorce case can be used as evidence to the plunder that has happened in daktari's office.

Baba is already driving a national agenda fully funded by the exchequer and supported by majority of governors. It is glaringly obvious that HE Baba is in a coalition with HE Uhuru as a co-principal and their agenda is BBI and infrastructure/big 4.



What are the details of those dams? And dont tell us about those stories we heard. Do we have documentation anywhere?


I have no details of the scam...i am just an ordinary long suffering Kenyan trying to make ends meet....however...,

When DCI Kinoti went hard on the Kimwarer/Arror dam scam, the DP for the first time publicly reprimanded him.(I speak in code).
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mpobiz
#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:21:06 PM
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The length of this thread clearly shows how idle people are in this forum that they have to reply to every useless nonesence thrown at them.
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mpobiz
#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:27:01 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
The length of this thread clearly shows how idle people are in this forum that they have to reply to every useless nonesence thrown at them.

@murchr wachana n.a. Huyu mtu. We are already very busy with his other thread on ruto
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
Thiong'o
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:49:51 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:

The big question that i am asking myself is... what did Ruto do to Uhuru for Uhuru to make this 360 degrees turn around to the extent of wanting to fire him?

On the flip side, what did Uhuru do to Ruto for them to cease being buddies? Shida iko wapi wajameni? Why this about-turn? Githeri media should investigate the cause of this fallout and report huko kwa magazeti. It will form interesting reading and might even expose a major scam in Jubilee government that we are yet to know.

Anyway, i think Chapter 6 paragraph 75 section 2(b) can be used to send daktari back to hawking mahindi choma on Kampala road. Kimwarer/Arror scam is enough dossier. Even Linturi's divorce case can be used as evidence to the plunder that has happened in daktari's office.

Baba is already driving a national agenda fully funded by the exchequer and supported by majority of governors. It is glaringly obvious that HE Baba is in a coalition with HE Uhuru as a co-principal and their agenda is BBI and infrastructure/big 4.



What are the details of those dams? And dont tell us about those stories we heard. Do we have documentation anywhere?


I have no details of the scam...i am just an ordinary long suffering Kenyan trying to make ends meet....however...,

When DCI Kinoti went hard on the Kimwarer/Arror dam scam, the DP for the first time publicly reprimanded him.(I speak in code).


@murchr, there seem to be lots of info on the dams even in the blogs.
A team of investigators was dispatched to Italy armed with CCTV footages of the meetings held between Kenyan and Italian officials to negotiate the loan deal.
Read more here. https://www.msn.com/en-x...need-to-know/ar-AAEPKTg
murchr
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 4:52:45 PM
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Thiong'o wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:

The big question that i am asking myself is... what did Ruto do to Uhuru for Uhuru to make this 360 degrees turn around to the extent of wanting to fire him?

On the flip side, what did Uhuru do to Ruto for them to cease being buddies? Shida iko wapi wajameni? Why this about-turn? Githeri media should investigate the cause of this fallout and report huko kwa magazeti. It will form interesting reading and might even expose a major scam in Jubilee government that we are yet to know.

Anyway, i think Chapter 6 paragraph 75 section 2(b) can be used to send daktari back to hawking mahindi choma on Kampala road. Kimwarer/Arror scam is enough dossier. Even Linturi's divorce case can be used as evidence to the plunder that has happened in daktari's office.

Baba is already driving a national agenda fully funded by the exchequer and supported by majority of governors. It is glaringly obvious that HE Baba is in a coalition with HE Uhuru as a co-principal and their agenda is BBI and infrastructure/big 4.



What are the details of those dams? And dont tell us about those stories we heard. Do we have documentation anywhere?


I have no details of the scam...i am just an ordinary long suffering Kenyan trying to make ends meet....however...,

When DCI Kinoti went hard on the Kimwarer/Arror dam scam, the DP for the first time publicly reprimanded him.(I speak in code).


@murchr, there seem to be lots of info on the dams even in the blogs.
A team of investigators was dispatched to Italy armed with CCTV footages of the meetings held between Kenyan and Italian officials to negotiate the loan deal.
Read more here. https://www.msn.com/en-x...need-to-know/ar-AAEPKTg



I haven't seen anything incriminating Ruto. That is what I want. Surely, if Kalenjins were involved, that is not Ruto we cannot also assume that Kikuyus involved in other scandals represent UK. We need to get to the cheddar of everything not insinuations
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Fyatu
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:15:22 PM
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Thiong'o wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
murchr wrote:
Fyatu wrote:

The big question that i am asking myself is... what did Ruto do to Uhuru for Uhuru to make this 360 degrees turn around to the extent of wanting to fire him?

On the flip side, what did Uhuru do to Ruto for them to cease being buddies? Shida iko wapi wajameni? Why this about-turn? Githeri media should investigate the cause of this fallout and report huko kwa magazeti. It will form interesting reading and might even expose a major scam in Jubilee government that we are yet to know.

Anyway, i think Chapter 6 paragraph 75 section 2(b) can be used to send daktari back to hawking mahindi choma on Kampala road. Kimwarer/Arror scam is enough dossier. Even Linturi's divorce case can be used as evidence to the plunder that has happened in daktari's office.

Baba is already driving a national agenda fully funded by the exchequer and supported by majority of governors. It is glaringly obvious that HE Baba is in a coalition with HE Uhuru as a co-principal and their agenda is BBI and infrastructure/big 4.



What are the details of those dams? And dont tell us about those stories we heard. Do we have documentation anywhere?


I have no details of the scam...i am just an ordinary long suffering Kenyan trying to make ends meet....however...,

When DCI Kinoti went hard on the Kimwarer/Arror dam scam, the DP for the first time publicly reprimanded him.(I speak in code).


@murchr, there seem to be lots of info on the dams even in the blogs.
A team of investigators was dispatched to Italy armed with CCTV footages of the meetings held between Kenyan and Italian officials to negotiate the loan deal.
Read more here. https://www.msn.com/en-x...need-to-know/ar-AAEPKTg


I am not a fan of Oxford Ndii, but i usually like reading stuff at the elephant

There is this particular article which i found to be quite interesting .....LINK
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Uhondo
#19 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2020 4:28:45 AM
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NGUNYI talked about a 'playfully written' constitution. This section about the removal of the DP is perhaps a great example.
kaka2za
#20 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2020 7:32:59 AM
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Perish the thought. There is no way Uhuru would sack Ruto even if the constitution allowed it.
Such a move would virtually make WSR unbeatable.
Ruto can only be 'persuaded' to resign but that won't happen too. Or could it?
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