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Tokyo wrote:If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle. I would certainly vote for Matiangi but I doubt he could beat Ruto. Ruto has been rehearsing for the top job for over ten years now and has the war-chest to fight for it. Finally lame duck Uhurus endorsement is likely to become a poisoned chalice as we have seen before. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Angelica _ann wrote:Tokyo wrote:If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle. Campaign money-wise, Ruto has an upper hand/plus already level of penetration. Matiangi will not need to use his money, dynasties will support him to capture the seat. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Wakanyugi wrote:Tokyo wrote:If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle. I would certainly vote for Matiangi but I doubt he could beat Ruto. Ruto has been rehearsing for the top job for over ten years now and has the war-chest to fight for it. Finally lame duck Uhurus endorsement is likely to become a poisoned chalice as we have seen before. I think if dynasties field their candidate, its an uphill battle for Mbwana DP. It depends on how he plays his cards from now going forward. Matiangi for me is a no. He has shown ako same league na kina muturi, using their position to oppress- typical of all Kenyans when in power. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Amores wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Tokyo wrote:If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle. I would certainly vote for Matiangi but I doubt he could beat Ruto. Ruto has been rehearsing for the top job for over ten years now and has the war-chest to fight for it. Finally lame duck Uhurus endorsement is likely to become a poisoned chalice as we have seen before. I think if dynasties field their candidate, its an uphill battle for Mbwana DP. It depends on how he plays his cards from now going forward. Matiangi for me is a no. He has shown ako same league na kina muturi, using their position to oppress- typical of all Kenyans when in power. Matiangi=Magufuli! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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The biggest and most surprising BBI outcome is Alma supporting Uhuru. The rest of it is Hogwash to say the least. I would someone to explain to me what of all the recommendations required a report for Uhuru to implement or what in that report is a game changer that Uhuru will use to make Kenya great again that he can't do now, today with the current powers bestowed unto him.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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washiku wrote:The biggest and most surprising BBI outcome is Alma supporting Uhuru.
The rest of it is Hogwash to say the least. I would someone to explain to me what of all the recommendations required a report for Uhuru to implement or what in that report is a game changer that Uhuru will use to make Kenya great again that he can't do now, today with the current powers bestowed unto him. It is not rocket science, my brother. Here is a thought experiment: Say you want to pay someone (s) 10 billion shillings without attracting the wrong kind of attention. The person claims his team spent that much in a certain election and he wants to be paid back, or else.... Say you are a lame duck President on his last term. All you want is an easy run and maybe a legacy. And 10B is pocket change, seeing as the major infrastructure projects you and your deputy are able to swing and skim off. How would you go about it? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Amores wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Tokyo wrote:If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle. I would certainly vote for Matiangi but I doubt he could beat Ruto. Ruto has been rehearsing for the top job for over ten years now and has the war-chest to fight for it. Finally lame duck Uhurus endorsement is likely to become a poisoned chalice as we have seen before. I think if dynasties field their candidate, its an uphill battle for Mbwana DP. It depends on how he plays his cards from now going forward. Matiangi for me is a no. He has shown ako same league na kina muturi, using their position to oppress- typical of all Kenyans when in power. Uhuru was a dynasties candidate in 02 mudavadi was also a non starter despite being supported by the mois and kibakis inners circle in 2013 Lakini hapa kuna poker game being played by uhuru and raila involving BBI and matiangi ruto should tread carefully
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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washiku wrote:The biggest and most surprising BBI outcome is Alma supporting Uhuru.
The rest of it is Hogwash to say the least. I would someone to explain to me what of all the recommendations required a report for Uhuru to implement or what in that report is a game changer that Uhuru will use to make Kenya great again that he can't do now, today with the current powers bestowed unto him. ohh come on my brasa. Even Ruto and Moses Kuria support this BBI. They said they will pass it in 15 minutes in parliament. Alma is just happy to see that guy squirming like the lilo snake in the grass that he is. Kenya will be great again when we get rid of people who have no problem stealing from Kimwarer and then taking the money to church. I think that will be a great thing. And I support. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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Wakanyugi wrote:washiku wrote:The biggest and most surprising BBI outcome is Alma supporting Uhuru.
The rest of it is Hogwash to say the least. I would someone to explain to me what of all the recommendations required a report for Uhuru to implement or what in that report is a game changer that Uhuru will use to make Kenya great again that he can't do now, today with the current powers bestowed unto him. It is not rocket science, my brother. Here is a thought experiment: Say you want to pay someone (s) 10 billion shillings without attracting the wrong kind of attention. The person claims his team spent that much in a certain election and he wants to be paid back, or else.... Say you are a lame duck President on his last term. All you want is an easy run and maybe a legacy. And 10B is pocket change, seeing as the major infrastructure projects you and your deputy are able to swing and skim off. How would you go about it? but there was 6 billions to be eaten in hujuma namba kwani hii deni ya hand cheque Ni ya how much tujuange tujipange punda amecheka
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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I thought that this BBI should be processed like the pumguza mzigo thing ie Uhuru and Rao collect 1m signatures, then the signatures are verified by the IEBC, then the document is taken to the county assemblies for discussion and approval or rejection etc. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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limanika wrote:Macang'i any day  Macang'i for president! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. You are drunk, this BBI thing cannot even go beyond the report stage "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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kaka2za wrote:Amores wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Tokyo wrote:If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle. I would certainly vote for Matiangi but I doubt he could beat Ruto. Ruto has been rehearsing for the top job for over ten years now and has the war-chest to fight for it. Finally lame duck Uhurus endorsement is likely to become a poisoned chalice as we have seen before. I think if dynasties field their candidate, its an uphill battle for Mbwana DP. It depends on how he plays his cards from now going forward. Matiangi for me is a no. He has shown ako same league na kina muturi, using their position to oppress- typical of all Kenyans when in power. Matiangi=Magufuli! Is that a good thing ? I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. You are drunk, this BBI thing cannot even go beyond the report stage  I thought your looto fella was waxing lyrical about it juzi tu. Murchr, the problem is that you guys seem so confused you don't even know what you want to tell Kenyans. Mara, we shall not support, mara we shall support, we shall not support, we shall support in parliament, raila, matiangi... I mean just confused fellas. Tell us what you want. We may decide to listen to you..Right now, you are just a den of total confusion looking for relevance. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. You are drunk, this BBI thing cannot even go beyond the report stage I thought your looto fella was waxing lyrical about it juzi tu. Murchr, the problem is that you guys seem so confused you don't even know what you want to tell Kenyans. Mara, we shall not support, mara we shall support, we shall not support, we shall support in parliament, raila, matiangi... I mean just confused fellas. Tell us what you want. We may decide to listen to you..Right now, you are just a den of total confusion looking for relevance. The thing is stuck at the current stage. Open your eyes. Easiest way would have been through parliament but baba doesnt want that because it will fail. Now how about 1m signatures, pass in 24 county assemblies then come up with a referendum question. Note what Muturi said, that doc is in no way a doc that can be discussed in parliament, so it can only be discussed on idle TV channels and funerals "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. You are drunk, this BBI thing cannot even go beyond the report stage I thought your looto fella was waxing lyrical about it juzi tu. Murchr, the problem is that you guys seem so confused you don't even know what you want to tell Kenyans. Mara, we shall not support, mara we shall support, we shall not support, we shall support in parliament, raila, matiangi... I mean just confused fellas. Tell us what you want. We may decide to listen to you..Right now, you are just a den of total confusion looking for relevance. The thing is stuck at the current stage. Open your eyes. Easiest way would have been through parliament but baba doesnt want that because it will fail. Now how about 1m signatures, pass in 24 county assemblies then come up with a referendum question. Note what Muturi said, that doc is in no way a doc that can be discussed in parliament, so it can only be discussed on idle TV channels and funerals Ati parliament. The only people who want us to believe about this parliament route are tanga tanga. Now even that route has been closed for them. Dead on arrival. Let me start my December holiday as I read that report on my own. Hii mambo ya tanga tanga is enough confusion for a day. Juzi they were saying they will make Duale Prime Minister. I mean you guys are slowly growing mad. Tusome and wait for Uhunye to start camping in Central. Then we shall see the real men with balls during that period. Not hiding behind raira this raira that. I want to hear Moses Kuria stand up in Gatundu as Uhuru is seated next to him talk his rubbish. Didi Nyoro pia asimame ajitetee. Then Looto makes his opinion public. He can then tell us if he wants to resign and restart URP or follow his President. Sio kua na umama hapa. Watu waseme iliyo moyoni mwao. Kieleweke. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. You are drunk, this BBI thing cannot even go beyond the report stage I thought your looto fella was waxing lyrical about it juzi tu. Murchr, the problem is that you guys seem so confused you don't even know what you want to tell Kenyans. Mara, we shall not support, mara we shall support, we shall not support, we shall support in parliament, raila, matiangi... I mean just confused fellas. Tell us what you want. We may decide to listen to you..Right now, you are just a den of total confusion looking for relevance. The thing is stuck at the current stage. Open your eyes. Easiest way would have been through parliament but baba doesnt want that because it will fail. Now how about 1m signatures, pass in 24 county assemblies then come up with a referendum question. Note what Muturi said, that doc is in no way a doc that can be discussed in parliament, so it can only be discussed on idle TV channels and funerals Ati parliament. The only people who want us to believe about this parliament route are tanga tanga. Now even that route has been closed for them. Dead on arrival. Let me start my December holiday as I read that report on my own. Hii mambo ya tanga tanga is enough confusion for a day. Juzi they were saying they will make Duale Prime Minister. I mean you guys are slowly growing mad. Tusome and wait for Uhunye to start camping in Central. Then we shall see the real men with balls during that period. Not hiding behind raira this raira that. I want to hear Moses Kuria stand up in Gatundu as Uhuru is seated next to him talk his rubbish. Didi Nyoro pia asimame ajitetee. Then Looto makes his opinion public. He can then tell us if he wants to resign and restart URP or follow his President. Sio kua na umama hapa. Watu waseme iliyo moyoni mwao.
Kieleweke. BBI is dead "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:To the Tanga Tanga team. Where shall you hide in 2020? Thus far tanga tanga has been hiding behind mara sijui raila, mara matiangi etc. They are too cowardly to even mention Uhuru like I have here many times. Cowards You have been warned. Mkule Christmas. 2020 we shall see which Central Tanga Tanga shall say to Uhuru in his face that .....mara this mara that. I ask again, where shall looto hide when the time of reckoning comes. It is coming. No more Kiambaa nonsense, so says Uhunye. You are drunk, this BBI thing cannot even go beyond the report stage I thought your looto fella was waxing lyrical about it juzi tu. Murchr, the problem is that you guys seem so confused you don't even know what you want to tell Kenyans. Mara, we shall not support, mara we shall support, we shall not support, we shall support in parliament, raila, matiangi... I mean just confused fellas. Tell us what you want. We may decide to listen to you..Right now, you are just a den of total confusion looking for relevance. The thing is stuck at the current stage. Open your eyes. Easiest way would have been through parliament but baba doesnt want that because it will fail. Now how about 1m signatures, pass in 24 county assemblies then come up with a referendum question. Note what Muturi said, that doc is in no way a doc that can be discussed in parliament, so it can only be discussed on idle TV channels and funerals Ati parliament. The only people who want us to believe about this parliament route are tanga tanga. Now even that route has been closed for them. Dead on arrival. Let me start my December holiday as I read that report on my own. Hii mambo ya tanga tanga is enough confusion for a day. Juzi they were saying they will make Duale Prime Minister. I mean you guys are slowly growing mad. Tusome and wait for Uhunye to start camping in Central. Then we shall see the real men with balls during that period. Not hiding behind raira this raira that. I want to hear Moses Kuria stand up in Gatundu as Uhuru is seated next to him talk his rubbish. Didi Nyoro pia asimame ajitetee. Then Looto makes his opinion public. He can then tell us if he wants to resign and restart URP or follow his President. Sio kua na umama hapa. Watu waseme iliyo moyoni mwao.
Kieleweke. BBI is dead I am somewhere drunk as as a mgema and listening to the best reggae ever. but when I saw bbi is dead I had to comment. I second you my brother .. hii kitu imekufa. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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