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Why I reject the BBI
kaka2za
#131 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2019 11:35:05 AM
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I have gone through the report and honestly don't understand what will require a referendum. What will be the referendum question?
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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tycho
#132 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2019 5:46:57 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
I have gone through the report and honestly don't understand what will require a referendum. What will be the referendum question?


Print a version of the constitution with all the necessary changes and name it 'version B'. Current constitution is then named 'version A'.

Referendum question: version A or B?

'Vote B; vote for bridges, vote for integrity. Alma yuko ndani, je wewe?'
kaka2za
#133 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2019 10:39:36 AM
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tycho wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
I have gone through the report and honestly don't understand what will require a referendum. What will be the referendum question?


Print a version of the constitution with all the necessary changes and name it 'version B'. Current constitution is then named 'version A'.

Referendum question: version A or B?

'Vote B; vote for bridges, vote for integrity. Alma yuko ndani, je wewe?'


The constitution states clearly states the changes that would require a referendum. None of the recommendations of the BBI fit in that category.
Or maybe some people want a referendum just to put the country in election mode and 'test' the waters albeit at a huge cost.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
kayhara
#134 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2019 10:57:43 AM
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The document has a lot of hubris, You cannot registrate to change people's mentality, I don't think tax breaks are the way to go, reducing taxes across the board would be a better way, The health commision creation does not need a referendum, an act of parliament will do, corruption fight will fail if judiciary budget gets cut, the PM position and his nomination makes no sense, why do we still need CDF can mps stick to registration, same as mcas stick to county laws, anyway I don't support this thing.
To Each His Own
murchr
#135 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2019 5:32:45 PM
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kayhara wrote:
The document has a lot of hubris, You cannot registrate to change people's mentality, I don't think tax breaks are the way to go, reducing taxes across the board would be a better way, The health commision creation does not need a referendum, an act of parliament will do, corruption fight will fail if judiciary budget gets cut, the PM position and his nomination makes no sense, why do we still need CDF can mps stick to registration, same as mcas stick to county laws, anyway I don't support this thing.


You mean LEGISLATE ; LEGISLATION Yes i totally agree.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#136 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2019 9:05:29 PM
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murchr wrote:
kayhara wrote:
The document has a lot of hubris, You cannot registrate to change people's mentality, I don't think tax breaks are the way to go, reducing taxes across the board would be a better way, The health commision creation does not need a referendum, an act of parliament will do, corruption fight will fail if judiciary budget gets cut, the PM position and his nomination makes no sense, why do we still need CDF can mps stick to registration, same as mcas stick to county laws, anyway I don't support this thing.


You mean LEGISLATE ; LEGISLATION Yes i totally agree.



L and r mix up is very common in the world Drool
List of worst offenders include Japanese, Chinese, Kyuks,Baganda,Chaaga,Bahimas and a number of Southern African Bantu speakers
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
tycho
#137 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2019 7:57:45 AM
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How we manage discourse is also a matter for concern. This is because language determines our thinking. For example the title to this post may limit our thinking in ways that may preclude any constructive engagement.

An application of this idea is by Deborah Tannen in her 'argument society':

[quote]THE ARGUMENT CULTURE

Balance. Debate. Listening to both sides. Who could question these noble American traditions? Yet today, these principles have been distorted. Without thinking, we have plunged headfirst into what I call the "argument culture."
The argument culture urges us to approach the world, and the people in it, in an adversarial frame of mind. It rests on the as¬sumption that opposition is the best way to get anything done: The best way to discuss an idea is to set up a debate; the best way to cover news is to find spokespeople who express the most ex¬treme, polarized views and present them as "both sides"; the best way to settle disputes is litigation that pits one party against the other; the best way to begin an essay is to attack someone; and the best way to show you're really thinking is to criticize.
/quote]

This leads us to the question of how again people from different persuasions can think together constructively, and how we can change our patterns of discourse.
Tokyo
#138 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:04:34 AM
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If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle.
work to prosper
Tokyo
#139 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2019 12:39:41 PM
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Can somebody educate me on reasons the current constitution needs to be trashed/ updated?
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Angelica _ann
#140 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2019 1:13:40 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
If the gutter is to be trusted,Uhuru and Raila compromise candidate Matiangi v/s Ruto. It would be an epic battle.


Campaign money-wise, Ruto has an upper hand/plus already level of penetration.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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