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Why I reject the BBI
Amores
#61 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:19:53 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
I don't see how Ruto would lose if these BB proposals are effected

He has campaigned for presidency- the directly elected one- and BB still has the same with executive power and with a PM that the president can fire

Away from the fixation with the executive, I think that part for counties is the biggest plus in this report. 35% allocation is mzuri sana. Central government needs to release all intra county roads to our devolved units


on allocation, can be good but the issue is on oversight . The only recommendation worth mentioning is where they say "Strengthen the office of the Auditor General, which should be devolved to oversee Counties’ accounts and to report them in an accessible and simple way"

The auditor general is doing this and reporting but the mouths are too full na kukula to notice!

This is why I think punguza mizigo was wanjiku sensitive
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Taurrus
#62 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:47:50 PM
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Africans amaze me,how we go about solving our problems! The most important thing Punguza Mzigo is NOT mentioned anywhere in this BBI doc and almost everyone ni mzuri Sana, very sad.
Taurrus
#63 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:54:28 PM
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Wacha losers be, ati it's all about taking care of losers ndio wasilete fujo! Watu wamedaganywa tena!
murchr
#64 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2019 10:35:30 PM
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Another lie filled with fanfare. What a waste of resources.
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Thitifini
#65 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2019 10:52:33 PM
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I still don't see the reasoning behind the PM and DPMs. They can just confuse governance like the CAS things.

Furthermore, it seems like a copy of Uganda's governance structure. Btw, I just learnt tge name of UG PM today. Already have forgotten it.

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tycho
#66 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2019 11:52:14 PM
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The methodology is incomplete. So far we only have a list of apparently random proposals that haven't been analyzed or tested by simulation. For example, the issue of 'morality' and 'culture' or a minister of religion...

A simple simulation of these ideas and even that of the PM leaves me wondering if this committee was in charge of creating a farce.

On the other hand I like the idealism and desire for greatness. The idea of being a global power is really welcome. The desire to build on traditional based knowledge is also great.

But on the whole, I think this presentation is raw and hurried. It doesn't even solve any of the problems it set out to resolve.

I can't back it as it is.
FRM2011
#67 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:16:16 AM
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This is the link to the report.

https://www.bbi.go.ke

It is 156 pages.

I can't comment because I haven't read it.

I know none of the wazuans have read it.

Stop commenting until you read it.
aemathenge
#68 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:20:57 AM
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Amores wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
I don't see how Ruto would lose if these BB proposals are effected

He has campaigned for presidency- the directly elected one- and BB still has the same with executive power and with a PM that the president can fire

Away from the fixation with the executive, I think that part for counties is the biggest plus in this report. 35% allocation is mzuri sana. Central government needs to release all intra county roads to our devolved units


on allocation, can be good but the issue is on oversight . The only recommendation worth mentioning is where they say "Strengthen the office of the Auditor General, which should be devolved to oversee Counties’ accounts and to report them in an accessible and simple way"

The auditor general is doing this and reporting but the mouths are too full na kukula to notice!


This is why I think punguza mizigo was wanjiku sensitive


I couldn't agree more.

As the cliche goes, things on the ground are different.

Take the following for example:

Quote:
The Treasury has singled out the 15 counties for punishment after they failed to clear pending bills in a circular issued on November 22.

The 15 are Narok, Machakos, Nairobi, Vihiga, Isiolo, Tana River, Migori, Tharaka Nithi, Bomet, Kirinyaga, Nandi, Mombasa, Kiambu, Garissa and Baringo counties.

The 15 failed to pay any of their pending bills between July and October occasioning the move by Treasury to stop their funds disbursements.

The Treasury has asked Parliament to approve its decision stopping the release of funds to 15 counties for failure to clear Sh22.71 billion in pending bills.

National Assembly Speaker Justin Muturi directed the Budget and Appropriations Committee (BAC) to speedily consider the request by the Treasury to freeze the transfer of funds from next month.

Business owners have accused national and county government departments of delaying payments to suppliers worth more than Sh150 billion, forcing them to cut back on operations, shed jobs and keep pay stagnant.


Source: https://www.businessdail...302-10j36sfz/index.html
Amores
#69 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:27:36 PM
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Thitifini wrote:
I still don't see the reasoning behind the PM and DPMs. They can just confuse governance like the CAS things.

Furthermore, it seems like a copy of Uganda's governance structure. Btw, I just learnt tge name of UG PM today. Already have forgotten it.


There are no DPMs


" The President shall be elected through universal suffrage. For a candidate to be declared the winner of the presidential election, he or she must win 50% + 1 of the presidential votesand at least 25% of the votes cast in each of more than half of the Counties, as is now the case. The President will remain the Head of State andGovernment,Commander-in-Chief,andbe the central symbol of national unity. He shall chair the Cabinet that compromises the Deputy President, the Prime Minister, and Cabinet Ministers. The Taskforce has called for the retaining of the present two-term limit of presidential terms"


There is a PM who is like a super CS. Doesn't address the winner takes it all issue which is what we were told we needed to address. I still believe a loser should accept and move on .

Then there is issue that even though the PM has to be approved by parliament, president can fire the PM. What a useless recommendation.

I have a feeling these guys sensed vile vitu ziko kwa ground ( people want the mzigo punguzwad)and edited the document.
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Lolest!
#70 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:47:41 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:

This is the link to the report.

https://www.bbi.go.ke

It is 156 pages.

I can't comment because I haven't read it.

I know none of the wazuans have read it.

Stop commenting until you read it.

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