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simonkabz
#11 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:11:08 PM
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I just wish the expansion included the pot-holed crowded Kenol-Makutano section....too busy as meru and nyeri highway traffic converge here.
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B.Timer
#12 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:23:36 PM
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Road expansion was and still is absolutely necessary.
Statistics were taken, whose result indicated that the sheer numbers - cars that plied the road dictated that the road be expanded.
Seriously any busy road anywhere in serious world is four/six lane as necessary.

This ofcorse does not negate the need to have the rail way network improved not only the link to Thika but many other places.

I guess the new owners/concessionaires of the Train industry have that on the cards.
Dunia ni msongamano..
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mukiha
#13 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:23:43 PM
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Is it not interesting how we have come to assume that a bigger road is the best solution to traffic congestion. That's the point I have a problem with.

In my view; an alternative mode of transport provides a more effective solution. A bigger road just invites more cars and soon enough it is also congested.

I think that improvement of the railway link would have cost about the same amount of money and take the same amount of time to complete. Its useful un-congested life, however, would be much longer than that of the road.

At this juncture, I recall a comment made by my [late] professor many years ago: "At which point of human civilisation did we accept that it is OK to take 1,000kg of metal with you when you go on a journey - however short?"
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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yekeyeke
#14 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:26:03 PM
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Mukiha.

So umekaa UK eh?!. That is where ilipata tambia mbaya!!!

Its very simple. We do not want trains for now at all!!!!. Leave this road to be built. Trains can come in baadaye. We have suffered enough jams, with short nights and long days. If you want peace leave the chinese to finish their job and handover the 12 lane road for us to use.

As a tax paying kenyan I would like to use my car in the same stress free manner as the person living in muthaiga, to go to and from work. Dont take that away from me whatever wacky ideas you may have gotten from the land of gordon brown, who managed to greatly cock up the UK economy with his military and political wars.

You can there after get the train of your dreams to go to your picknicks, just that those mzungu you have borowed ideas from.

On economics. pls take time to visit wilipedia and familiarize your self with terms such as GDP and its co relationsip with infrastructure development.

After the 2nd wolrd war the US congress passed billions of USD for the construction of a road network thats today called the interstate. Read wikipedia and you can see the reasons why they did this. They did not pour money for the construction of your prefered rail network..... sk your self Why?
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mukiha
#15 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:26:08 PM
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fantony wrote:
fact of life.. based on a scientific study in the US... it takes 5 years for a newly constructed road to fill up...

Inappropriate statistics.

1] This is a different country - not the USA - with different social-economic parameters.

2] That statistic is about NEWLY constructed roads; not expanded ones.
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mukiha
#16 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:31:33 PM
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yekeyeke wrote:
Mukiha.

So umekaa UK eh?!. That is where ilipata tambia mbaya!!!

Its very simple. We do not want trains for now at all!!!!. Leave this road to be built. Trains can come in baadaye. We have suffered enough jams, with short nights and long days. If you want peace leave the chinese to finish their job and handover the 12 lane road for us to use.

As a tax paying kenyan I would like to use my car in the same stress free manner as the person living in muthaiga, to go to and from work. Dont take that away from me whatever wacky ideas you may have gotten from the land of gordon brown, who managed to greatly cock up the UK economy with his military and political wars.

You can there after get the train of your dreams to go to your picknicks, just that those mzungu you have borowed ideas from.

On economics. pls take time to visit wilipedia and familiarize your self with terms such as GDP and its co relationsip with infrastructure development.

After the 2nd wolrd war the US congress passed billions of USD for the construction of a road network thats today called the interstate. Read wikipedia and you can see the reasons why they did this. They did not pour money for the construction of your prefered rail network..... sk your self Why?

Again; your insulting language is not adding value to the debate.

Are you suggesting that we use 2nd world war era economic thinking? Gosh!

Please; please; please; make your points without using bad language.
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Ephy
#17 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:32:58 PM
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I concur totally with Mukiha.As much as a smoother wider road is good,it is not the ultimate solution.The government should have done more research.How many cars use the road daily? How many of these are trailers,matatus e.t.c

For the last 2,a railway sytem is the best option.Because the biggest problem now with kenyan roads is congestion.For us to achieve vision 2030 we need to high jump to some solutions.See what 2nd world countries did,and improve and implement better solutions.

By the time they think of a railway,the economic activities on thika road will have increased,then there will be more cars,people and goods..so a railway link is MANDATORY.
See what everyone has seen,but think what nobody has thought. Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
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mukiha
#18 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:36:13 PM
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Perhaps we are forgetting that the objective is to move PEOPLE & GOODS from point A to B; not cars and lorries.

In another forum; that would be called circular reasoning - when you present the absence of your solution as the problem!
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jguru
#19 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:42:46 PM
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yekeyeke wrote:
@Mukiha. Wewe ni P***u. If you have a plane to take you to various places, why do you want us, wealth earners on thika road to use trains? Have you ever in your short life been inside a train?. Bure kabisa.

The KES 26B thats being spent on thika road is the best money ever to be spent on any road in kenya.

I supporse that you also strongly feel that the bypass money should also have been spent on a project of your choice?

Did you ever study ecomonics in school? Do you know the link between GDP growth and infstructure?

Wewe you need some serious prayers.

Trains and people of thika road do not mix. We are not cows!!!!!! to ride on trains.

Wewe nyamaza tu to see the road get completed and then you can move to thika road as well. We have seen property appreciate in nairobi, only in areas where there is infrastructure.

Kama Thika road inajaa, una shida gani. Kama umeona Green intashindwa kwa referndum, ulituletee sisi.

Wacha barabara ijengwe.
-How do you go shoping with a train?
-How do kids go to school in a train?
-How do you deliver produce in a train?
-How do you ask +80K cars users a day to use a train.
-Wewe ni P***u!!!!




@yekeyeke:

Not the way to voice your opinions. Shame on you

I disagree with you. A rail network, from Thika to Nairobi would have been a better idea. Safer. Surer. More economical. More intelligent.

Government planning is short-sighted. We build because we have a certain demand NOW. Instead of thinking about Nairobi and Thika in 2040. 26 Billion can go a long way in building infrastructure FOR THE FUTURE, not just 6 lanes of tarmac and a couple of fly-overs.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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sheep
#20 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 5:57:56 PM
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Why do people in Wazua have so big egos...relax guyz respect each other opinions...however "crazy" yet sensible(like mine he he he)

Ujanja ya kuishi Nairobi imeisha...when majority of the people get "smart" en mass...the way kenyans are buying cars u would think they are investments...land prices everywhere shooting up eti "price discovery"...this is a land speculative mania(I own a few pieces myself just to show how bad it is)..

Kwanza in ten years ngata will be sh.200 a liter or so,ujanja ya kuishi 40-60kms away from CBD kwisha,guyz spending 30-50% of salo on fuel...4hr jams will be nothing out of the ordinary...kuamka 4.00am just ku beat the rush

Nairobi is becoming too expe to live in...it should be decentralized
administrative capital should be moved to another town..legislative to another...just like in S.A

someone should start building condos in cbd...bla bla bla

NB:THIS ARE PERSONAL OPINIONS AND SHOULD NOT BE REPLIED TO BY WAZUA GENIUSES.

The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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