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Why I reject the BBI
newfarer
#11 Posted : Saturday, October 26, 2019 9:27:46 AM
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I have said we don't need to change out constitution .we need to change our attitude.we have the best constitution in place
punda amecheka
Shak
#12 Posted : Saturday, October 26, 2019 12:50:11 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
limanika wrote:
If the BBI contains such proposal to create 2 centres of power, and where a president elected via universal suffrage hands most of the power to a PM appointed by fat cats in parliament, then it should die on arrival.

2 centres of power is recipe for disaster.


Agreed 100%

Totally agree
Jump-steady
#13 Posted : Saturday, October 26, 2019 4:41:50 PM
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limanika wrote:
If the BBI contains such proposal to create 2 centres of power, and where a president elected via universal suffrage hands most of the power to a PM appointed by fat cats in parliament, then it should die on arrival.

2 centres of power is recipe for disaster.



These proposals were there in the making of the 2010 constitution but were shelved due to the opposition they faced. These proposals seem to be emanating from a particular clique of people and i am very afraid that Uhuru has been hoodwinking his brother on this matter.

Two centres of power is total chaos!
2012
#14 Posted : Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:00:26 PM
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Personally, I think it's too soon for any major amendments to our constitution. The problem is not the constitution but disregard of it with Impunity. We need to strengthen our institutional structures else not even the changes can be effective.

BBI will solve it
:)
Fyatu
#15 Posted : Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:31:49 AM
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Quick question...

Will the BBI be presented to Kenyans in the form of referendum questions or will it be discussed in parliament and exposed to a vote on the floor of the house?
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
tycho
#16 Posted : Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:34:11 AM
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hardwood wrote:
1. Democracy should be about one man one vote, not some mpigs sitting in parliament to choose the leader, or some unelected electoral college sitting somewhere to select the leader. We have seen the MCA madness in the counties and we wouldnt want such shennanigans to creep into bunge.
2. The proposed parliamentary system is upuss since representation in parliament is skewed against some regions with some constituencies having double or triple the population of others. So saying that the leader of the party with most seats in parliament ie MPs will become the PM is very unfair to some regions. It would only work if all constituencies have same number of voters.
3. Sharing of the top seats among the five big tribes and distributing the rest among the other tribes is taking the country back to the stone age.


1 and 3 are propositions without reasons and evidence.

2 is a proposition with a reason but it is not clear if the logic is valid because the analogy may not fit.

Baba on the other hand can't be the authority to validate BBI for he is interested in the outcome and neither can he be trusted to know the truth of this matter.

It is possible that Kenya will face more instability due to want of a philosophy that can sustain truth.
tycho
#17 Posted : Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:38:06 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
Quick question...

Will the BBI be presented to Kenyans in the form of referendum questions or will it be discussed in parliament and exposed to a vote on the floor of the house?


I'd rather they began with sharing the research report, then have a people's debate then follow with emergent recommendations.
Njunge
#18 Posted : Sunday, October 27, 2019 2:49:05 PM
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Raila and some ODM characters are already getting worked up by those who seem not keen to support bbi.what is it they know that we don't? They should give all Kenyans an opportunity to go through the proposals and make judgement.He shouldn't read it for me.Trying to force it down my throat will not work and it doesn't matter even if the entire political class is on one side. Raila Asibebe Wanjiku ujinga!!
hardwood
#19 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2019 10:58:52 AM
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kaka2za
#20 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2019 1:48:13 PM
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Njunge wrote:
Raila and some ODM characters are already getting worked up by those who seem not keen to support bbi.what is it they know that we don't? They should give all Kenyans an opportunity to go through the proposals and make judgement.He shouldn't read it for me.Trying to force it down my throat will not work and it doesn't matter even if the entire political class is on one side. Raila Asibebe Wanjiku ujinga!!


True. Pray,what is it we are accepting or rejecting?!
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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