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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:Fidel's mpango now disowns Ida. The mpango is fearing DNA tests.... https://www.the-star.co....wants-to-clear-the-air/
Quote:Phoebe Akinyi Gweno, who is said to have delivered Fidel Odinga's twins, has emerged and disowned a suit filed by Ida Odinga.
Akinyi has termed the court battle started by Ida as malicious, raising interest about what she tells the court.
“The petition is marred with ill will and malicious motives, creating a tussle with the deceased's widow on one side and the deceased's mother and siblings on the other, her lawyer John Swaka said.
Akinyi has been managing a forex Bureau at Adams Arcade and sometimes at Warwick Centre in Gigiri.
It is not clear whether she had an intimate relationship with Fidel but Odinga's son used to change his money there and conduct his M-Pesa transactions at the same bureau.
"We do not know if Fidel actually had a relationship with Akinyi and whether the twins are actually Fidel's," Akinyi's colleague at the Forex Bureau said.
Did you actually read it fully? She is against Ida's petition but " she wants to be a party to the case in the interests of her children and to “clear the air.” Hio mambo ya kuogopa DNA umetoa wapi? All she is saying is that she is angry that Ida dragged her kids into a case against the daughter inlaw and that is why she wants to join the case to protect her kids reputation and clear the air that she and her kids have nothing to do with the legal fight between the two. Being an interested party doesn't mean that you want your cut from a dispute. It's just like if some stranger "sold" your plot huko dustbowl to a 3rd party and then the buyer sued the conman. If you come to learn that your plot is the subject of discussions in court, you'd file to join the case as an interested party for the sake of your property and to clear the air. That doesnt mean that you want any money from the conman or the buyer rather you just want to set the record straight that the plot is yours and the people fighting in court are strangers to you and have nothing to do with you and your property. Likewise this lady's kids were mentioned in Ida's malicious court case and the lady doesn't want her kids dragged into the matter and that is why she wants to join the case and clear the air. Note that she never asked the court to allow her kids inherit fidels estate rather she only wants to clear the air and protect her kids reputation. If she wanted the kids to inherit fidel she would have filed a separate independent case expressly requesting that, not joining Ida's case. Also note that her workmates have been quoted as saying they are not aware of any relationship with fidel and they doubt if fidel is the father to the kids. Leave the law to the lawyers my friend. The case before court is about letters of administrations for the late Fidel's estate. The grant is opposed by Mama Ida and Winnie because they also want to be appointed as Trustees. Akinyi is enjoined as an interested party because she is invested in the outcome of the court decision. She is not just a bystander or "a friend of the court". Her twins might be declared to have an interest in the late Fidel's estate. She might also be appointed a joint trustee/administrator of the estate. The law only provides for the wife not mothers sisters or mpangos. If the twins are Fidels, the court will rule that they benefit off the estate. Hio tu. Read sections 58(2) and 66 of the Law of Succession Act. The widow has priority but the court has discretion. I happen to have some free time today. Law of Succession wrote:
34. Meaning of intestacy
A person is deemed to die intestate in respect of all his free property of which he has not made a will which is capable of taking effect.
35. Where intestate has left one surviving spouse and child or children
(1) Subject to the provisions of section 40, where an intestate has left one surviving spouse and a child or children, the surviving spouse shall be entitled to—
(a) the personal and household effects of the deceased absolutely; and
(b) a life interest in the whole residue of the net intestate estate:
Provided that, if the surviving spouse is a widow, that interest shall determine upon her re-marriage to any person.
(2) A surviving spouse shall, during the continuation of the life interest provided by subsection (1), have a power of appointment of all or any part of the
capital of the net intestate estate by way of gift taking immediate effect among the surviving child or children, but that power shall not be exercised by will nor in such manner as to take effect at any future date.
Fidel died without a will or trust. So how does section 58 arise?PS: A trust is a legal way to hold and protect your assets for the future. A document called the trust deed is the set of rules for the operation of the trust.A continuing trust is one that lives longer than its creator. Did Fidel create a trust? If a person dies intestate; 1. Administrators get letters of administration to enable them manage the estate of the deceased; 2. If all beneficiaries are adults, the properties are divided among themselves; 3. If some or all ultimate beneficiaries are below age, a trust is created and the widow/ other trustees holds the property in trust for the minors Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sparkly wrote:murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:Fidel's mpango now disowns Ida. The mpango is fearing DNA tests.... https://www.the-star.co....wants-to-clear-the-air/
Quote:Phoebe Akinyi Gweno, who is said to have delivered Fidel Odinga's twins, has emerged and disowned a suit filed by Ida Odinga.
Akinyi has termed the court battle started by Ida as malicious, raising interest about what she tells the court.
“The petition is marred with ill will and malicious motives, creating a tussle with the deceased's widow on one side and the deceased's mother and siblings on the other, her lawyer John Swaka said.
Akinyi has been managing a forex Bureau at Adams Arcade and sometimes at Warwick Centre in Gigiri.
It is not clear whether she had an intimate relationship with Fidel but Odinga's son used to change his money there and conduct his M-Pesa transactions at the same bureau.
"We do not know if Fidel actually had a relationship with Akinyi and whether the twins are actually Fidel's," Akinyi's colleague at the Forex Bureau said.
Did you actually read it fully? She is against Ida's petition but " she wants to be a party to the case in the interests of her children and to “clear the air.” Hio mambo ya kuogopa DNA umetoa wapi? All she is saying is that she is angry that Ida dragged her kids into a case against the daughter inlaw and that is why she wants to join the case to protect her kids reputation and clear the air that she and her kids have nothing to do with the legal fight between the two. Being an interested party doesn't mean that you want your cut from a dispute. It's just like if some stranger "sold" your plot huko dustbowl to a 3rd party and then the buyer sued the conman. If you come to learn that your plot is the subject of discussions in court, you'd file to join the case as an interested party for the sake of your property and to clear the air. That doesnt mean that you want any money from the conman or the buyer rather you just want to set the record straight that the plot is yours and the people fighting in court are strangers to you and have nothing to do with you and your property. Likewise this lady's kids were mentioned in Ida's malicious court case and the lady doesn't want her kids dragged into the matter and that is why she wants to join the case and clear the air. Note that she never asked the court to allow her kids inherit fidels estate rather she only wants to clear the air and protect her kids reputation. If she wanted the kids to inherit fidel she would have filed a separate independent case expressly requesting that, not joining Ida's case. Also note that her workmates have been quoted as saying they are not aware of any relationship with fidel and they doubt if fidel is the father to the kids. Leave the law to the lawyers my friend. The case before court is about letters of administrations for the late Fidel's estate. The grant is opposed by Mama Ida and Winnie because they also want to be appointed as Trustees. Akinyi is enjoined as an interested party because she is invested in the outcome of the court decision. She is not just a bystander or "a friend of the court". Her twins might be declared to have an interest in the late Fidel's estate. She might also be appointed a joint trustee/administrator of the estate. The law only provides for the wife not mothers sisters or mpangos. If the twins are Fidels, the court will rule that they benefit off the estate. Hio tu. Read sections 58(2) and 66 of the Law of Succession Act. The widow has priority but the court has discretion. I happen to have some free time today. Law of Succession wrote:
34. Meaning of intestacy
A person is deemed to die intestate in respect of all his free property of which he has not made a will which is capable of taking effect.
35. Where intestate has left one surviving spouse and child or children
(1) Subject to the provisions of section 40, where an intestate has left one surviving spouse and a child or children, the surviving spouse shall be entitled to—
(a) the personal and household effects of the deceased absolutely; and
(b) a life interest in the whole residue of the net intestate estate:
Provided that, if the surviving spouse is a widow, that interest shall determine upon her re-marriage to any person.
(2) A surviving spouse shall, during the continuation of the life interest provided by subsection (1), have a power of appointment of all or any part of the
capital of the net intestate estate by way of gift taking immediate effect among the surviving child or children, but that power shall not be exercised by will nor in such manner as to take effect at any future date.
Fidel died without a will or trust. So how does section 58 arise?PS: A trust is a legal way to hold and protect your assets for the future. A document called the trust deed is the set of rules for the operation of the trust.A continuing trust is one that lives longer than its creator. Did Fidel create a trust? If a person dies intestate; 1. Administrators get letters of administration to enable them manage the estate of the deceased; 2. If all beneficiaries are adults, the properties are divided among themselves; 3. If some or all ultimate beneficiaries are below age, a trust is created and the widow/ other trustees holds the property in trust for the minors That trust is non-existent as we speak so in a matter of "continuing trust" hakuna. Daily Nation wrote:The Odingas accuse the widow of conniving with her mother and brother to petition the court to grant her the letters of administration despite efforts made for the two families to jointly seek the letters.
“The said grant was issued erroneously, as it unjustifiably locked out other interested parties from the estate of the deceased, his other children, his mother and sister respectively. The proposed administrators cannot be entrusted alone to faithfully administer according to the law the estate of the deceased and render a true and just account of such estate.”
Mrs Odinga further accuses Ms Lwam of keeping Fidel’s son away from the formal education system. She claims that while still married to Ms Lwam, Fidel had two other children from a different relationship, whom he supported during his lifetime, a fact she says was well-known to the widow.
Apparently, the twins were born 6months after Fidel's death. The nation continues wrote:“Her actions were all planned, deliberate and calculated to take advantage of Fidel’s family who are not aware when the plans were made."
But, in a replying affidavit, Ms Lwam denies knowledge of the existence of the minors the Odingas claim were sired by her late husband. She, however, says that she has no problem including them as beneficiaries of her late husband’s estate if they turn out to be his children.
“I have never intermeddled with the estate of the deceased person either before or after being issued with the grant of letters of administration intestate,” she says.
She argues that the birth certificates presented in court by Mrs Odinga and Winnie do not disclose who the father of the twins is, adding that they were born six months after the death of her husband.
In refuting claims by the Odinga family that she excluded several properties from an inventory of assets her late husband owned, Ms Lwam says that her strained relationship with Ida is the cause of the succession dispute. The alleged assets excluded, which the widow says she has no knowledge of, include three top-of-the-range vehicles, three bank accounts and her matrimonial home. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:murchr wrote:sparkly wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:Fidel's mpango now disowns Ida. The mpango is fearing DNA tests.... https://www.the-star.co....wants-to-clear-the-air/
Quote:Phoebe Akinyi Gweno, who is said to have delivered Fidel Odinga's twins, has emerged and disowned a suit filed by Ida Odinga.
Akinyi has termed the court battle started by Ida as malicious, raising interest about what she tells the court.
“The petition is marred with ill will and malicious motives, creating a tussle with the deceased's widow on one side and the deceased's mother and siblings on the other, her lawyer John Swaka said.
Akinyi has been managing a forex Bureau at Adams Arcade and sometimes at Warwick Centre in Gigiri.
It is not clear whether she had an intimate relationship with Fidel but Odinga's son used to change his money there and conduct his M-Pesa transactions at the same bureau.
"We do not know if Fidel actually had a relationship with Akinyi and whether the twins are actually Fidel's," Akinyi's colleague at the Forex Bureau said.
Did you actually read it fully? She is against Ida's petition but " she wants to be a party to the case in the interests of her children and to “clear the air.” Hio mambo ya kuogopa DNA umetoa wapi? All she is saying is that she is angry that Ida dragged her kids into a case against the daughter inlaw and that is why she wants to join the case to protect her kids reputation and clear the air that she and her kids have nothing to do with the legal fight between the two. Being an interested party doesn't mean that you want your cut from a dispute. It's just like if some stranger "sold" your plot huko dustbowl to a 3rd party and then the buyer sued the conman. If you come to learn that your plot is the subject of discussions in court, you'd file to join the case as an interested party for the sake of your property and to clear the air. That doesnt mean that you want any money from the conman or the buyer rather you just want to set the record straight that the plot is yours and the people fighting in court are strangers to you and have nothing to do with you and your property. Likewise this lady's kids were mentioned in Ida's malicious court case and the lady doesn't want her kids dragged into the matter and that is why she wants to join the case and clear the air. Note that she never asked the court to allow her kids inherit fidels estate rather she only wants to clear the air and protect her kids reputation. If she wanted the kids to inherit fidel she would have filed a separate independent case expressly requesting that, not joining Ida's case. Also note that her workmates have been quoted as saying they are not aware of any relationship with fidel and they doubt if fidel is the father to the kids. Leave the law to the lawyers my friend. The case before court is about letters of administrations for the late Fidel's estate. The grant is opposed by Mama Ida and Winnie because they also want to be appointed as Trustees. Akinyi is enjoined as an interested party because she is invested in the outcome of the court decision. She is not just a bystander or "a friend of the court". Her twins might be declared to have an interest in the late Fidel's estate. She might also be appointed a joint trustee/administrator of the estate. The law only provides for the wife not mothers sisters or mpangos. If the twins are Fidels, the court will rule that they benefit off the estate. Hio tu. Read sections 58(2) and 66 of the Law of Succession Act. The widow has priority but the court has discretion. I happen to have some free time today. Law of Succession wrote:
34. Meaning of intestacy
A person is deemed to die intestate in respect of all his free property of which he has not made a will which is capable of taking effect.
35. Where intestate has left one surviving spouse and child or children
(1) Subject to the provisions of section 40, where an intestate has left one surviving spouse and a child or children, the surviving spouse shall be entitled to—
(a) the personal and household effects of the deceased absolutely; and
(b) a life interest in the whole residue of the net intestate estate:
Provided that, if the surviving spouse is a widow, that interest shall determine upon her re-marriage to any person.
(2) A surviving spouse shall, during the continuation of the life interest provided by subsection (1), have a power of appointment of all or any part of the
capital of the net intestate estate by way of gift taking immediate effect among the surviving child or children, but that power shall not be exercised by will nor in such manner as to take effect at any future date.
Fidel died without a will or trust. So how does section 58 arise?PS: A trust is a legal way to hold and protect your assets for the future. A document called the trust deed is the set of rules for the operation of the trust.A continuing trust is one that lives longer than its creator. Did Fidel create a trust? If a person dies intestate; 1. Administrators get letters of administration to enable them manage the estate of the deceased; 2. If all beneficiaries are adults, the properties are divided among themselves; 3. If some or all ultimate beneficiaries are below age, a trust is created and the widow/ other trustees holds the property in trust for the minors That trust is non-existent as we speak so in a matter of "continuing trust" hakuna. Daily Nation wrote:The Odingas accuse the widow of conniving with her mother and brother to petition the court to grant her the letters of administration despite efforts made for the two families to jointly seek the letters.
“The said grant was issued erroneously, as it unjustifiably locked out other interested parties from the estate of the deceased, his other children, his mother and sister respectively. The proposed administrators cannot be entrusted alone to faithfully administer according to the law the estate of the deceased and render a true and just account of such estate.”
Mrs Odinga further accuses Ms Lwam of keeping Fidel’s son away from the formal education system. She claims that while still married to Ms Lwam, Fidel had two other children from a different relationship, whom he supported during his lifetime, a fact she says was well-known to the widow.
Apparently, the twins were born 6months after Fidel's death. The nation continues wrote:“Her actions were all planned, deliberate and calculated to take advantage of Fidel’s family who are not aware when the plans were made."
But, in a replying affidavit, Ms Lwam denies knowledge of the existence of the minors the Odingas claim were sired by her late husband. She, however, says that she has no problem including them as beneficiaries of her late husband’s estate if they turn out to be his children.
“I have never intermeddled with the estate of the deceased person either before or after being issued with the grant of letters of administration intestate,” she says.
She argues that the birth certificates presented in court by Mrs Odinga and Winnie do not disclose who the father of the twins is, adding that they were born six months after the death of her husband.
In refuting claims by the Odinga family that she excluded several properties from an inventory of assets her late husband owned, Ms Lwam says that her strained relationship with Ida is the cause of the succession dispute. The alleged assets excluded, which the widow says she has no knowledge of, include three top-of-the-range vehicles, three bank accounts and her matrimonial home. Fidel didn't register a Trust when he was alive but a Trust is created by operation of the law to administer his properties for his children. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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2012 wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:sparkly wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:How about that for a mother in law. Good thing the girl from the house of mumbi ran away without looking back. They even insulted her at Fidels funeral yet even after the divorce, she attended the funeral out of respect. For those asking about the cause of death, it was a drug overdose. If it would have been any thing else that would have been loudly publicized. Drug (over)dose was obvious from day 1 of the death. Am very embarrassed on what this Mama is doing. 1. It's common knowledge that politicians use their children as proxies to launder money and property. You find teenagers being registered owners of luxury cars and properties they don't even know they own; 2. Fidel was always high, chasing skirts and fighting matatu touts to make a coin for himself; 3. Those luxury cars and properties in Karen, Kisumu etc are mali ya Baba na Mama. They are just reclaiming what is theirs. You are right @sparkly. How much did that teenager own, really. According to the succession law, the widow takes over her dead husband's estate, irrespective of whether the estate includes gifts or laundered cash from the deceased spouse's parents. So Mrs Fidel should take over 100% of Fidel's estate. Ida and baba should keep off Fidel's boma. What if he had nothing registered in his name? We all know he used to operate from his father's handouts so there's a chance he owned nothing. RAO family banked money under Fidel's name, says lawyerLife is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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sparkly wrote:2012 wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:sparkly wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:How about that for a mother in law. Good thing the girl from the house of mumbi ran away without looking back. They even insulted her at Fidels funeral yet even after the divorce, she attended the funeral out of respect. For those asking about the cause of death, it was a drug overdose. If it would have been any thing else that would have been loudly publicized. Drug (over)dose was obvious from day 1 of the death. Am very embarrassed on what this Mama is doing. 1. It's common knowledge that politicians use their children as proxies to launder money and property. You find teenagers being registered owners of luxury cars and properties they don't even know they own; 2. Fidel was always high, chasing skirts and fighting matatu touts to make a coin for himself; 3. Those luxury cars and properties in Karen, Kisumu etc are mali ya Baba na Mama. They are just reclaiming what is theirs. You are right @sparkly. How much did that teenager own, really. According to the succession law, the widow takes over her dead husband's estate, irrespective of whether the estate includes gifts or laundered cash from the deceased spouse's parents. So Mrs Fidel should take over 100% of Fidel's estate. Ida and baba should keep off Fidel's boma. What if he had nothing registered in his name? We all know he used to operate from his father's handouts so there's a chance he owned nothing. RAO family MAY HAVE banked money under Fidel's name, says a lawyer not involved in the case SPECULATES I have corrected you hapo juu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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hardwood wrote:sparkly wrote:2012 wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:sparkly wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:How about that for a mother in law. Good thing the girl from the house of mumbi ran away without looking back. They even insulted her at Fidels funeral yet even after the divorce, she attended the funeral out of respect. For those asking about the cause of death, it was a drug overdose. If it would have been any thing else that would have been loudly publicized. Drug (over)dose was obvious from day 1 of the death. Am very embarrassed on what this Mama is doing. 1. It's common knowledge that politicians use their children as proxies to launder money and property. You find teenagers being registered owners of luxury cars and properties they don't even know they own; 2. Fidel was always high, chasing skirts and fighting matatu touts to make a coin for himself; 3. Those luxury cars and properties in Karen, Kisumu etc are mali ya Baba na Mama. They are just reclaiming what is theirs. You are right @sparkly. How much did that teenager own, really. According to the succession law, the widow takes over her dead husband's estate, irrespective of whether the estate includes gifts or laundered cash from the deceased spouse's parents. So Mrs Fidel should take over 100% of Fidel's estate. Ida and baba should keep off Fidel's boma. What if he had nothing registered in his name? We all know he used to operate from his father's handouts so there's a chance he owned nothing. RAO family MAY HAVE banked money under Fidel's name, says a lawyer not involved in the case SPECULATES I have corrected you hapo juu. Mjuanji correct me here also  ... The two claim Bekele refused to be inherited by Raila JnrQuote: The two claim that shortly after Fidel’s burial, Ms Bekele “took off from her matrimonial home soon after the deceased was laid to rest, and cut all communications with the family of the deceased”. Life is short. Live passionately.
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