You can see the desperation when so called believers result to threatening people with death in order to get them to believe in their god.

Its all a con, of course. Even the tithe story from the example of JC has been twisted. He said sell all your earthly goods, give the proceeds to the poor and follow me. The new Gospel, according to Pastor Mugandaman and his 'holy' gang, is "sell your belongings and give the proceeds to me."

My only surprise is how this transparent BS finds so many takers in Kenya today. We must be addle headed as a people.

Well,well,well,some of us pray at the Holy Shrine at Kiambuthia in Mt Kenya.
We worship the same way our grandfathers did.The Bible is a colonial tool which
was used by mzungu to colonize us while the other hand had a gun.
And in the process,we lost our land.It is this cause the Mugundaman Pastor,
still armed with a bible is pursuing.He needs land so bad because he
lost the initial land to politcal bucanners in 1963.

You mean our grandfathers were worshiping Satan?The problem with christianity
is the false belief that theirs is the only true religion.Why would God condemn all the muslims?
Bhudhists?Hidhus??Why?JC was hebrew.AND jews are not christians.Don't think they are stupid.

What I have read about JC is that God cares for all his creation, period. Yaani habangui.

What I hear about JC, mostly from your pastors and other fellow middle men, is that God practices apartheid. He will only save you if you: pay him money (tithe), roast him nyama choma (sacrifice) beg him (pray) or stroke his ego (worship and sing) preferably daily or at least once a week.

Yaani he is so insecure that, according to your calculus above, he will condemn three quarters of humanity simply because they have failed to believe in him.

That does not sound like a guy I want to spend eternity with.

The purpose of Wazua is to have serious talk about wealth.
I was just about to call this topic as out of order on
wealth creation,but I paused after realizing that to
Mugundaman,a pastor,there is serious wealth creation in
relation to Christianity.What we are doing arguing with him
is actually -- like in Warren Buffett analogy,we are like the client
asking a barber whether to have a haircut.Mugundaman
makes his money from tithes,which he later invests in Shamba
and then comes to gloat to his flock like N'gang'a of Neno Ministries.

On this we can disagree to disagree.

I will not follow your psychopathic God even if you pay me. If at the end it turns out you and your fellow 'panda mbegu' conmen were right and I was wrong, I will take that chance and happily, together with billions of my fellow humans I am sure.

Salaam

Money, politics and religion, always hot topics, which can go on and on for decades. I thought wazoo was only known for touching on the first two but now I see religion very much part of the equation.

I try to avoid arguing about it as much as I can since the probability of changing someone's opinions on this is usually very very low, I recommend you guys do the same.

Very good advice.

Expecting the likes of Mugundaman to suddenly see the light is a journey into darkness.

Religious folks are weak minded people who thrive on scare tactics. I have never tithed in my life and I’ve turned out okay. If I get cancer and die from it it won’t be because I was an atheist, it will be because I am a human being and all human beings will die. The last time I contributed sadaka in church was maybe in standard three or so when I gave out 10 bob that my mum had given me for offering. Tithes only enrich pastors who are all conmen. Use that 10% to buy something nice for yourself or your family.

With regards to the topic at hand, it’s not that easy to escape poverty in Kenya. A lot of people are trapped because there are no opportunities. The best way to create wealth is to find good employment in your twenties and then invest for the future. Starting a business and having it thrive more so in your twenties is not easy. If Kenya had job opportunities and a good system like in most developed countries, a lot of people wouldn’t be in the poor situation they are in today. It’s not victim mentality, the truth is the governments of African countries have let their people down. In countries like the US where jobs are in plenty, many people create wealth by finding employment, getting a mortgage which unlike in Kenya is very easy to get, paying off the house after working for years and then taking out the equity on the house and investing it. That equity money plus employment savings plans like 401k where the company matches your monthly contribution is what makes people escape poverty in developed nations. We don’t have facilities like those in Kenya and it’s a big reason why most people are poor.

Don’t ever look down on people who can’t escape poverty in Kenya. A lot of them are trying hard, some of them very educated, but the systems and powers that be have let us down and put us in this situation that we are in. Yes, some people do create employment for themselves and succeed, but it’s not that easy, I have been in business for over 10 years and have gained plenty of experience but one thing I can tell you is that business especially in Kenya is not easy. In fact, in order to finance a successful business you need a huge chunk of cash. Whenever I see priviledged folks calling less fortunate people lazy it bothers me. You can’t buy that land in DC without cash and you need a good job or a successful business to acquire that cash. That job or that successful business is not easily accessible in Kenya and that’s why a lot of people are unable to escape poverty.

Matthew 5:5 — In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ declared: “ Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth”