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STOCKS TO SELL by yaserbigchair
VituVingiSana
#1161 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:04:44 PM
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Posts: 18,038
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
And they dared ask the exchange bar why Bamburi appears on Yasserbigchair list of stocks to sell since 2016


We are more curious as to why KQ does not appear on that list
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
A shareholder with one share of Bamburi has seen more income from the interim dividend than KQ has seen for 7 years! d'oh!

These were the kind of statements KQ shareholders used to make back in the day.. Business is cyclical
Yes, it is.
Is the statement true?
So why are you dissing cash-rich Bamburi that spent 8bn expanding capacity in 2018 and plans to pay a hefty dividend for FY 2018 for one year that was lousy?

Same for a host of firms which saw reduced profits (not even losses) in FY2017- 2018-2019.

BTW, when was the last time "cyclical" KQ made a profit?
After a 14bn Rights Issue?
After a massive bailout by KQLC and GoK?
When does the cycle turn?

BUT if you believe in KQ so much, why aren't you buying more KQ?
I added some Unga and KenyaRe recently. Putting my (KK) money where my mouth is.

KQ has burnt the brother beyond recognition. I doubt he can invest anything more into stocks.

Kifo cha wengi ni harusi.. We review your emotions on 24.04.2019 via Pkosing. I speak in code

Another moving target.

He speaks in C.O.D.E Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Has he paid you for the bet (I think) you won?


My timing was off by a month or so.
I thought you had learnt the "timing" lesson from my misfortune Laughing out loudly
KenGen is 6/- while the KK exit was at 23/-
Timing is everything, eh?
Did you ever get onto the KK bandwagon?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1162 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:21:58 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,038
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
And they dared ask the exchange bar why Bamburi appears on Yasserbigchair list of stocks to sell since 2016


We are more curious as to why KQ does not appear on that list
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
A shareholder with one share of Bamburi has seen more income from the interim dividend than KQ has seen for 7 years! d'oh!

These were the kind of statements KQ shareholders used to make back in the day.. Business is cyclical
Yes, it is.
Is the statement true?
So why are you dissing cash-rich Bamburi that spent 8bn expanding capacity in 2018 and plans to pay a hefty dividend for FY 2018 for one year that was lousy?

Same for a host of firms which saw reduced profits (not even losses) in FY2017- 2018-2019.

BTW, when was the last time "cyclical" KQ made a profit?
After a 14bn Rights Issue?
After a massive bailout by KQLC and GoK?
When does the cycle turn?

BUT if you believe in KQ so much, why aren't you buying more KQ?
I added some Unga and KenyaRe recently. Putting my (KK) money where my mouth is.

KQ has burnt the brother beyond recognition. I doubt he can invest anything more into stocks.

Kifo cha wengi ni harusi.. We review your emotions on 24.04.2019 via Pkosing. I speak in code

Another moving target.

He speaks in C.O.D.E Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Has he paid you for the bet (I think) you won?


My timing was off by a month or so.

A genuine gentleman

pays off his bets and debts.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1163 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:43:22 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,463
Location: nairobi
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 22.08.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father manenos
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
hf, rate cap
home afrika, bandia firm
kapch, agricultural cartels
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nbk, rate cap
nic, rate cap
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
rwitre
#1164 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:56:20 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/8/2018
Posts: 507
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 22.08.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father manenos
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
hf, rate cap
home afrika, bandia firm
kapch, agricultural cartels
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nbk, rate cap
nic, rate cap
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity


Barclays/ABSA has:
- Steady growth (albeit slow)
- Is cash rich
- Consistent Dividend payout

In fact it is one of the least stressful counters to own on the NSE. Only issue is capital gains never seem to come.
obiero
#1165 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:07:25 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,463
Location: nairobi
rwitre wrote:
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 22.08.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father manenos
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
hf, rate cap
home afrika, bandia firm
kapch, agricultural cartels
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nbk, rate cap
nic, rate cap
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity


Barclays/ABSA has:
- Steady growth (albeit slow)
- Is cash rich
- Consistent Dividend payout

In fact it is one of the least stressful counters to own on the NSE. Only issue is capital gains never seem to come.

In any race, it helps to check out your relative speed to competition. If you used to be number 1 and are now dipped to steady 8, you must get curious

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#1166 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 6:56:37 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,463
Location: nairobi
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
winmak
#1167 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 7:20:19 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 12/1/2007
Posts: 537
Location: Nakuru
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


KQ????
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
sparkly
#1168 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 7:25:03 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


So long as KQ is not on that list, no one will take @yaser seriously
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#1169 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 8:42:20 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,463
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


So long as KQ is not on that list, no one will take @yaser seriously

Some people didn't take Jesus seriously but he remains the messiah

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#1170 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 9:35:24 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,038
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


So long as KQ is not on that list, no one will take @yaser seriously
Do not speak ill of the living dead Pray Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#1171 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:46:00 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,173
Location: nairobi
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop

In short you are saying the nse has less than 10 stocks you can trust,your list is spot on.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Extraterrestrial
#1172 Posted : Tuesday, October 01, 2019 6:34:42 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 11/17/2018
Posts: 173
Location: Mars
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


Like seriously BBK?
Monk
#1173 Posted : Wednesday, October 02, 2019 7:53:55 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 7/1/2009
Posts: 245
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


So long as KQ is not on that list, no one will take @yaser seriously

Some people didn't take Jesus seriously but he remains the messiah


It's not like you to use dogma. Did MM get into your head?
Ericsson
#1174 Posted : Wednesday, October 02, 2019 11:23:15 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,626
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


Mumias sugar should also exit having being placed under receivership
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#1175 Posted : Wednesday, October 02, 2019 11:31:59 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,901
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


Mumias sugar should also exit having being placed under receivership


The list should be divided in categories; ICU, HDU, Ward, Outpatient .........
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Balaa
#1176 Posted : Wednesday, October 02, 2019 3:24:23 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 7/6/2018
Posts: 175
Location: Kinshasa
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE WATCH AS AT 01.10.19
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

NBK, NIC exit by default, HF exits via redeeming grace. This should be the first and only point of reference in determining distressed firms as CMA is AWOL. We call them out and they soon close shop


Mumias sugar should also exit having being placed under receivership


The list should be divided in categories; ICU, HDU, Ward, Outpatient .........

Well said; the list currently constitutes apples and oranges. Add a category for "Morgue" to that differentiation.
If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense
obiero
#1177 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2020 7:20:22 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,463
Location: nairobi
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE NEGATIVE WATCH AS AT 17.02.2020
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nmg, bad luck
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Angelica _ann
#1178 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2020 7:53:18 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,901
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE NEGATIVE WATCH AS AT 17.02.2020
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nmg, bad luck
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity


KQ, Employees and Union smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ebenyo
#1179 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2020 7:53:21 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 1,996
Location: Kitale
obiero wrote:
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE NEGATIVE WATCH AS AT 17.02.2020
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nmg, bad luck
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity



also add KQ-death by debts
Towards the goal of financial freedom
obiero
#1180 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:00:09 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,463
Location: nairobi
THE EXCHANGE BAR BELIEVES THE FOLLOWING STOCKS TO BE ON CLOSE NEGATIVE WATCH AS AT 19.05.2020
bamburi, economic downturn
barclays, rebirth pangs
britam, securities collapse
cables, death by debt
carbacid, chinese competition
cargeneral, economic downturn
centum, founding father
crown, wild swings
eabl, rona pandemic
eapc, scandalous scandal
eveready, death by debt
express, sgr takeover
ftg, non starter
home afrika, bandia firm
kenya power, boardroom boogy
kurwitu, bandia firm
mumias, death by debt
nmg, bad luck
olympia, bandia firm
sameer, bandia firm
sanlam, victim of circumstances
uchumi, customer abandonment
unga, hung share
umeme, opacity

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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