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2012
#1 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:56:28 AM
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This Precious Talent school incident just shows you the huge divide between the rich and poor in our society. A week is not over and this incident has already done its time and thrown to the kaburi la sahau.
Even that delinquent boy trended for longer because he was 'middle class', I can assure you if he was from a poor school it would have been normal because they are not expected to have manners anyway.

The gap between the 'have' and 'have nots' in Kenya is huge!

I remember in my primary school times, over 95% of us went to public schools. I didn't even know one kid from a private school not even Indians and I schooled with some. Private schools were not even a thought because they were for the super rich not even middle class could afford. We used to look up to Hospital Hill, Nairobi School, Moi Avenue as being the best schools. The population grew but those schools remained the same prompting the upspring of middle-class private schools. While the 'real' private schools (eg Braeburn)cost about shs.50k a term back then, the emerging middle class private schools were about 10k-15k of course all later increased to stand now at over 500k+ for the rich and between 50k - 100k for the middle class while leaving the free public schools to the poor. The interesting thing is that the poor were also not satisfied with the quality of public schools education and the few could also not handle the numbers and other logistics hence the mushrooming of these other private schools. It's tragic but they are a necessary evil under the current status. It's happening with hospitals, jobs and housing too.
What I don't know is if this is sustainable, what I do know is Uhuru and his government have no answers being the worst regime after the fall of dictatorship.

BBI will solve it
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Kusadikika
#2 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:09:07 PM
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I think 2 factors are to blame. One is the word "free". I think it is a big mistake to tell the whole country that they have a right to " free" anything. Whether that is education or healthcare. You create entitlement without responsibility. You create a very hostile environment for the providers of these services, teachers, doctors, nurses because you are now telling the public that these people are their slaves and they treat them as such.

Two was the banning of corporal punishment. There is nothing more discouraging than taking away a teacher's instrument of control.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:23:39 PM
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Interestin topic @2012

Our public primary schools are like our public health sector. We have a section of citizens who wouldn't dare have anything to do with them.

But we still want public secondary schools.

In my day too, few went to private schools.But that was about the time teachers and other investors discovered the goldmine in that sector.

They took advantage of weaknesses in the public school system to market themselves. Our headteacher once told us of a pupil who said she transferred from our school because we only spoke mother tongue!

2 things could even things out:
1) End of national examinations & secondary school ranking. KCPE is just for entry into secondary school. If all secondary schools ranked the same, there'd be no need for exams and the cutthroat competition between schools. Private school sector would decline rapidly.

2) Teacher motivation & facilities: Bridge the gap between public and private schools in these 2
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2012
#4 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:29:13 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Interestin topic @2012

Our public primary schools are like our public health sector. We have a section of citizens who wouldn't dare have anything to do with them.

But we still want public secondary schools.

In my day too, few went to private schools.But that was about the time teachers and other investors discovered the goldmine in that sector.

They took advantage of weaknesses in the public school system to market themselves. Our headteacher once told us of a pupil who said she transferred from our school because we only spoke mother tongue!

2 things could even things out:
1) End of national examinations & secondary school ranking. KCPE is just for entry into secondary school. If all secondary schools ranked the same, there'd be no need for exams and the cutthroat competition between schools. Private school sector would decline rapidly.

2) Teacher motivation & facilities: Bridge the gap between public and private schools in these 2


Very true. Going to a public school now is like going to Kenyatta hospital.

BBI will solve it
:)
2012
#5 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:36:12 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
I think 2 factors are to blame. One is the word "free". I think it is a big mistake to tell the whole country that they have a right to " free" anything. Whether that is education or healthcare. You create entitlement without responsibility. You create a very hostile environment for the providers of these services, teachers, doctors, nurses because you are now telling the public that these people are their slaves and they treat them as such.

Two was the banning of corporal punishment. There is nothing more discouraging than taking away a teacher's instrument of control.


I somehowly think that Kibaki had a plan and Jubilee had no clue what the plan was. I saw the report that was commissioned by Kidero that proposed building of I believe 90 more schools but I'm sure the former governor was not doing it genuinely but looking for quick avenues to eat.

BBI will solve it
:)
hardwood
#6 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:58:41 PM
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Seems the parents at the collapsed school have no faith in public schools. They have vowed not to take their kids to public schools as suggested by govt.

In my case, I went to a public primary school huko rural area and huko machinani public schools seem to be still doing well unlike in urban areas.

https://www.the-star.co....er-killer-school-owner/

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A group of parents on Friday camped outside a Kibera court and demanded the release of Precious Talent Academy owner Moses Wainaina.

They accused Education Cabinet Secretary George Magoha of ordering the transfer of their children to other "non-performing schools" in Ng'ong.

The parents said that the CS does not have good intentions because their children will have to trek for long before reaching school.

"In Ng’ong Forest area, children will walk many kilometers to school. They can be attacked by wild animal and rapists. We better keep our children at home," said Amos (not his real name).

He said that Magoha does not have any child in a public school and should not dictate to them.

Amos urged the CS to set up tents and temporary shelters to allow their children to get back in class.

"If you tell us to take our children to Jamhuri School, what do you mean? There is nothing good for them there in terms of quality education,’’ he said.

Another parent said that she had a child at Jamhuri Primary who got pregnant due to rampant indiscipline in the school.



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#7 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:14:32 PM
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"free" primary education was the biggest nonsense policy by clueless politicians. The existing system of funding education was working well. Govt provided teachers local authorities or parents provided classrooms. There was Parent Teachers Association PTA contribution which catered for the upkeep of schools. Education was an equalizer in society.

Uhuru as the 2002 Kanu candidate was really opposed to free primary but he lost the argument. Public schools went to the dogs and the middle class now had their own schools, the rich their own and the poor have to share the public schools.

We are now in an economy dominated by service industry if your kid gets into the wrong school without a network he can tap into in future that kid is locked out. Even poor parents know that. It's only govt officials who insist on stupid ideas.

Lastly govt has concentrated in building infrastructure in the rural areas(district focus). The thinking is that Nairobi has benefited all along. Public infrastructure has been decaying and public services in urban areas collapsed a long time. It took the heavy rains last year to expose the under-investment in Nairobi small feeder roads. It has taken this tragedy to expose the rot in public schools system in Nairobi.

In the rural areas the public schools are doing well some are even abandoned.
https://www.nation.co.ke...1994-bjymonz/index.html

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Nguruwe-ini was started as a District Education Board (DEB) school in 1994, admitting hundreds of learners in the next 15 years.

Things started spiralling downwards 10 years ago when the population started decreasing.

After struggling to attract learners for more than five years, the school finally closed shop in 2013. At the time, it had less than 30 learners.


Quote:
"Coffee was our mainstay here 20 years ago. That is not the case anymore. There is no money and raising children here is not easy. Our grandchildren have left to look for jobs in Nairobi and other places," says Mr Richard Muturi, a former teacher at Gikondi.

Thousands of families have moved from other sub-counties in Nyeri to settle in Kieni and Laikipia County, owing to the high agricultural potential in these areas.

Those left behind are usually less productive people, mostly the elderly.


Lolest!
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:02:49 PM
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2012 wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
I think 2 factors are to blame. One is the word "free". I think it is a big mistake to tell the whole country that they have a right to " free" anything. Whether that is education or healthcare. You create entitlement without responsibility. You create a very hostile environment for the providers of these services, teachers, doctors, nurses because you are now telling the public that these people are their slaves and they treat them as such.

Two was the banning of corporal punishment. There is nothing more discouraging than taking away a teacher's instrument of control.


I somehowly think that Kibaki had a plan and Jubilee had no clue what the plan was. I saw the report that was commissioned by Kidero that proposed building of I believe 90 more schools but I'm sure the former governor was not doing it genuinely but looking for quick avenues to eat.

It is during Kibaki era that private schools grew most and public schools declined most.

On this, Jubilee are just morticians
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Kusadikika
#9 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:40:09 PM
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A school is not buildings, it is an ecosystem. Buildings are just one part of that ecosystem. The others are teachers, school administrators, parents, students and most importantly the rules and regulations that govern their relationships and defines their responsibilities. Knee jerk reactions like Maghoha's "nimefunga hizi shule, nendeni kwa ile shule ingine" are informed by utter and profound ignorance.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:57:45 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Interestin topic @2012

Our public primary schools are like our public health sector. We have a section of citizens who wouldn't dare have anything to do with them.

But we still want public secondary schools.

In my day too, few went to private schools.But that was about the time teachers and other investors discovered the goldmine in that sector.

They took advantage of weaknesses in the public school system to market themselves. Our headteacher once told us of a pupil who said she transferred from our school because we only spoke mother tongue!

2 things could even things out:
1) End of national examinations & secondary school ranking. KCPE is just for entry into secondary school. If all secondary schools ranked the same, there'd be no need for exams and the cutthroat competition between schools. Private school sector would decline rapidly.

2) Teacher motivation & facilities: Bridge the gap between public and private schools in these 2


Interesting topic indeed.
Though I think its not all dark. There are rays of light/ hope.

We can trace the generational shifts through the years and predict what will happen next.

Those who went through primary school in '60s, '70s and '80s came from families of generally low means; but were themselves lucky to be at the hockey stick curve of economic growth upon graduating (liberalization, democracy, population consolidation, globalization). They fear(ed) poverty so much, and would do anything to:
a) never go back to poverty: legal or illegal, moral or immoral. Normalization and institutionalization of corruption happened when they took over reigns of power and policy b) wants nothing to do with poverty and its devices - hence they abandoned the traditional foods such as arrowroots, cassava, millet etc in favor of what they perceived as rich man's food - sugar, bleached flour, sausages etc and c) they have an insatiable hunger for land which was a major factor of production and status symbol those days.

We are at the onset of the next generational cycle...kids who went to school in the '80s, '90s and '00s grew up in plenty and pamper, no hunger, wore shoes to (increasingly private) school, were totally shielded from poverty, parents took them to makuti pubs and are technology natives.
Those kids are already taking very extreme formations; 'Unicorns' are investing in intellectual property not land, and competing on the fast lane. The laggards are betting, borrowing, drinking and 420-ing their way to oblivion. Meanwhile their ageing parents are exposed to lifestyle epidemics and dwindling incomes as their modus operandi of money at all costs and real estate oriented investments become less fashionable.

As an 80's outlier - a nigger they got out of ghetto but the ghetto never got out of the nigger, I can see a convergence of the best of our days and the best of modern times.
I have a character in the so-called grade 3 who has become noticeably experimental, inquisitive and open-minded. As his class 7 bro is buried in homework, the character is raiding birds nests, destroying my laptop, and burrowing his way out of chores in the garden.

That is how the formative years of 8.4.4 looked like - no burden of reading for exams. Those 'art and crafts home science and music, metalwork, woodwork...' produced in us jacks of all economic situations and masters of survival.

There will be natural deselection of the weak, while those to whom the future belongs will tap into the emerging best and next educational practices such as MOOC (massive online open courses); generic private schools will diminish in stature and class, possibly to be replaced by specialized post grade 6 schools. Private phenomena is haeded to that grade 7-9 critical space.

As for the comment that primary school networks matter later in life, I must have come from Mars this morning...not in a competitive, results-oriented and knowledge-centric world where we are. I propose that the ability to see around the corner and to see the next big thing in the quinary and quarternaly industries will be the real force multipliers.


Amores
#11 Posted : Sunday, September 29, 2019 9:11:02 AM
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2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Interestin topic @2012

Our public primary schools are like our public health sector. We have a section of citizens who wouldn't dare have anything to do with them.

But we still want public secondary schools.

In my day too, few went to private schools.But that was about the time teachers and other investors discovered the goldmine in that sector.

They took advantage of weaknesses in the public school system to market themselves. Our headteacher once told us of a pupil who said she transferred from our school because we only spoke mother tongue!

2 things could even things out:
1) End of national examinations & secondary school ranking. KCPE is just for entry into secondary school. If all secondary schools ranked the same, there'd be no need for exams and the cutthroat competition between schools. Private school sector would decline rapidly.

2) Teacher motivation & facilities: Bridge the gap between public and private schools in these 2


Very true. Going to a public school now is like going to Kenyatta hospital.



No, Kenyatta Hospital is the hope of Kenya, believe me. The issue is the not KNH, it is the system which has failed us. They refuse to make sure it remains a referral hospital. The way to do to do that is by ensuring that peripheral hospitals are functioning - this is not the case. So we need to stop pointing fingers, we have excellent healthcare staff doing their best, given the failed system.
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Amores
#12 Posted : Sunday, September 29, 2019 9:30:35 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
A school is not buildings, it is an ecosystem. Buildings are just one part of that ecosystem. The others are teachers, school administrators, parents, students and most importantly the rules and regulations that govern their relationships and defines their responsibilities. Knee jerk reactions like Maghoha's "nimefunga hizi shule, nendeni kwa ile shule ingine" are informed by utter and profound ignorance.



Very interesting topic. Kenya is the king of knee jerk reactions. I think the public education system was killed deliberately. Now i see kids waking up at 5 am in order to get to the school bus on time, they always have assignments to do including during holidays etc. While I accept that times have changed, I remember in our time, we didn't do all this rubbish and we turned out just fine.

This is the same greed which infiltrated institutions of higher education. As long as you can afford it, you can buy it.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, September 29, 2019 6:56:58 PM
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2012 wrote:
This Precious Talent school incident just shows you the huge divide between the rich and poor in our society. A week is not over and this incident has already done its time and thrown to the kaburi la sahau.
Even that delinquent boy trended for longer because he was 'middle class', I can assure you if he was from a poor school it would have been normal because they are not expected to have manners anyway.

The gap between the 'have' and 'have nots' in Kenya is huge!

I remember in my primary school times, over 95% of us went to public schools. I didn't even know one kid from a private school not even Indians and I schooled with some. Private schools were not even a thought because they were for the super rich not even middle class could afford. We used to look up to Hospital Hill, Nairobi School, Moi Avenue as being the best schools. The population grew but those schools remained the same prompting the upspring of middle-class private schools. While the 'real' private schools (eg Braeburn)cost about shs.50k a term back then, the emerging middle class private schools were about 10k-15k of course all later increased to stand now at over 500k+ for the rich and between 50k - 100k for the middle class while leaving the free public schools to the poor. The interesting thing is that the poor were also not satisfied with the quality of public schools education and the few could also not handle the numbers and other logistics hence the mushrooming of these other private schools. It's tragic but they are a necessary evil under the current status. It's happening with hospitals, jobs and housing too.
What I don't know is if this is sustainable, what I do know is Uhuru and his government have no answers being the worst regime after the fall of dictatorship.


I think the title of this thread should change to "The dark evolution to schooling in Nairobi."

Kenyans living in less congested cities/towns of Kenya are still taking their kids to public primary schools and are also accessing healthcare in the numerous level-3, level-4 and level-5 hospitals scattered in this country.

You will be surprised that TSC/GoK is the largest employer of qualified teachers all of whom who teach in public schools including those in Nairobi. The same goes to counties. They are the largest employers of qualified health professionals in this republic. The fact is..... very few of the so called "academies/private schools" can match public schools in terms of infrastructure. By infrastructure i mean a number of classrooms, number of teachers, toilets, playing fields, staff rooms etc.It is the same same for government/public hospitals. Very few private hospitals can compare to say Kenyatta National Hospital in terms of services rendered, inpatient capacity and concentration of specialist doctors.

Shalom hospital in DC cannot simply not compare to Kajiado county hospital in terms of staffing as well as mijengo and facilities. It is a no-brainer that Kajiado County Hospital is by far better hospital and relatively cheap for common mwananchi.

But DC is not Nairobi and Neither is Nakuru or Kisumu. Government of Kenya has simply been in deep slumber(over 3 decades) as far as Nairobi is concerned. The population of Nairobi has steadily grown but yet the government has not allocated enough resources to cater for basic services such as health, transport, housing and education. There are simply not enough public schools in Nairobi a gap that has been aptly been filled by sub-standard private schools.The same applies to housing and transport.


I have suggested before that Nairobi as it is today is no longer sustainable. There is need to build a mini-city for the masses that has enough schools and proper.infrastructure where water flows from taps everday, children walk to school, there are efficient and subsidized public mass-trasport systems and other public facilities.

In conclusion, i believe the problem is currently mainly in Nairobi. I hope that other cities of Kenya have learned from mistakes that have been made in Nairobi and should make plans to avoid them.
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Lolest!
#14 Posted : Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:50:49 PM
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Juzi,I visited Nakuru town. Those old estates like Langalanga & Shabab still look impressive compared to the disorder in Nairobi. I saw wide roads newly tarmacked by the county govt with cycling paths and deep drainage

People there surely have a better quality of life than Nairobians

I hear new estates huko are as disorderly as Ruaka is growing to be. Coz Ruaka will decay at some point to become a Githurai
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2012
#15 Posted : Monday, September 30, 2019 9:12:53 PM
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Lolest! wrote:

Juzi,I visited Nakuru town. Those old estates like Langalanga & Shabab still look impressive compared to the disorder in Nairobi. I saw wide roads newly tarmacked by the county govt with cycling paths and deep drainage

People there surely have a better quality of life than Nairobians

I hear new estates huko are as disorderly as Ruaka is growing to be. Coz Ruaka will decay at some point to become a Githurai


Great to hear! I was born & raised in Shabab areas till like 6yrs. Sentimental, still holds a place in my heart.

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