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Akirinyaga Secession from Agikuyu
radiomast
#11 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2019 11:47:09 PM
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limanika wrote:
From the language, i think the akirinyaga are product of intermarriage between gaki and aembu/ameru - these three peoples all lived along the edge of mt kenya and used to interact even before mzungu arrived to spoil the scene. methinks if mzungu hadnt come most of the gikuyu peoples would have by now disintegrated into several sub-tribes.


My take: Akirinyaga are a product of isolation from other Agikuyu. When one group becomes isolated, their language starts to evolve into a different language.

How similar two languages are depends on how long the two were isolated or split. From that perspective, AMeru people split from Agikuyu much longer ago than Embu people who in turn split from Agikuyu much longer ago than Akirinyaga.

It is true that had the British not come and if societies remained as they were in the 1800s then , most Kenyan ethnic groups would have splintered into much smaller groups. Some Maasais would have spread as far East as Voi and would now be a different ethnic group. Abaluhya would have split into 28 sub groups and Maragolis and Bukusu would no longer be considered Luhyas because their langaues would have evolved further apart. Some Luo groups would have migrated as far south as Mozambique or Lake Tanganyika and would now be speaking a different language with plenty of influence from Kisukuma. Mijikenda would be Miji kumi na Kenda. And Digo would no longer be part of them

Some of this is hyperbole. But its the general progression of languages. Historically, languages evolve constantly when isolated from the parent language.
limanika
#12 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 8:12:31 AM
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@radio, I like your hypothesis on language change due to isolation. Can we then say that when a group gets isolated, their language is influenced by the predominant language in the area. For instance, I know some meru who migrated to Kikuyu land some time back and now speak almost flawless gikuyu, and vice versa.

Back to topic, in prehestoric times it might have been 'cool' for a group to move out and create their own identity but in this time and age, its better to be considered part of larger group than moving into a cocoon
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#13 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 10:59:05 AM
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interesting discussion... where did the Kikuyu originally come from? since the Kamba, Kikuyu, Meru, Embu and Akirinyaga once had a common heritage - what was the name of these people? the proto"Central" people.
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#14 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 11:00:46 AM
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interesting discussion... where did the Kikuyu originally come from? since the Kamba, Kikuyu, Meru, Embu and Akirinyaga once had a common heritage - what was the name of these people? the proto"Central" people.
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#15 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 11:41:52 AM
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masukuma wrote:
interesting discussion... where did the Kikuyu originally come from? since the Kamba, Kikuyu, Meru, Embu and Akirinyaga once had a common heritage - what was the name of these people? the proto"Central" people.

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#16 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 1:14:23 PM
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masukuma wrote:
interesting discussion... where did the Kikuyu originally come from? since the Kamba, Kikuyu, Meru, Embu and Akirinyaga once had a common heritage - what was the name of these people? the proto"Central" people.


From Congo, the kikuyu immigrated northwards from Mt Kilimanjaro/TZ area to the Mt kenya/aberdares area. The meru are said to have immigrated from the coast up the Tana river to Mt Kenya area and Nyambene hills.

Note that Kikuyus are the northernmost bantus in africa.

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#17 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 1:35:15 PM
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Are you aware that many who regard themselves as Agikuyu are actually Dorobos?
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#18 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 2:37:23 PM
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gk wrote:
Are you aware that many who regard themselves as Agikuyu are actually Dorobos?


When the agikuyu arrived in the Mt Kenya/aberdares region, they found the hunter gatherer athi (dorobo) people and with time the athi were assimilated into the agikuyu, just like the hunter gatherer okieks in RV are currently being assimilated into the kipsigis. So yes, some okuyo may have dorobo dna. Also some dorobo became culturally okuyo. The way the abasuba, a bantu people became culturally luo.
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#19 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 2:47:39 PM
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hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
interesting discussion... where did the Kikuyu originally come from? since the Kamba, Kikuyu, Meru, Embu and Akirinyaga once had a common heritage - what was the name of these people? the proto"Central" people.


From Congo, the kikuyu immigrated northwards from Mt Kilimanjaro/TZ area to the Mt kenya/aberdares area. The meru are said to have immigrated from the coast up the Tana river to Mt Kenya area and Nyambene hills.

Note that Kikuyus are the northernmost bantus in africa.



There are Bantus in Cameroon which seems to lie more to the North than Kenya.
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radiomast
#20 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2019 4:42:51 PM
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limanika wrote:
@radio, I like your hypothesis on language change due to isolation. Can we then say that when a group gets isolated, their language is influenced by the predominant language in the area. For instance, I know some meru who migrated to Kikuyu land some time back and now speak almost flawless gikuyu, and vice versa.


Exactly !
Part of the reason languages evolve is because as people migrate, their language becomes influenced by new neighbours especially due to intermarriage or due to trade.

Languages used to change very dramatically within a few hundred years. If you speak the Gikuyu language now and if you were to time travel back to say 1400 and speak to the Agikuyu of that period, you would struggle to understand anything
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