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#51 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 12:58:51 AM
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Worse than expected...will just wait for what GoK offers...
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maka
#52 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 1:16:28 AM
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obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=guru267]Just sold my last shares in this monkey at 2.39. My average sell price is 2.49 giving a loss of around 8%. Will be waiting to see if it goes below 1 Bob as there might be a new trading opportunity at those prices.

I'm conflicted right about now.. 81% in the red but with such an insane price on offer, what should stop me from using leverage if necessary to bring the buy price to circa KES 4 down from current KES 12.53. Will KQ be nationalized at KES 0.50 to the 80,000 minority shareholders.. This is murder in the first degree walai. Ni kama drama. Ni kama video



bite the bullet my brother. Offload now at 2bob and get back onboard at 0.30 cents. At 0.3 cents you will purchase 1.46 million shares..here is the math:

221000×2 = ksh. 442,000

442,000 / 0.3 = 1473333.3333 units


Isn't this the point at which 'dumb money becomes dumb'?...ati your signatureShame on you

He has a solid point.. KQ is currently worth KES 0.00 on paper, but in reality is has a value, knowing that specific value is the issue


This should be used to roll a blunt...


💣💣💣💥💥💥

Employee disconnect with company objectives and the resultant effect has been researched world over..

True, but am wondering, since you have insisted on averaging down, what's your strategy sir obiero. At what point do you think this junk will be properly landed. Definitely this thing will stay there for quite a period for any urgency to worry if it will be a minute man mission.

Will have to crash and burn.. Can't jump from 'altitude' of KES 12.53.. No sense in making any moves now, will wait for the first responder (GoK) to find us on the ground


This will take a while....
possunt quia posse videntur
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Impunity
#53 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:25:04 AM
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It can't go any lower.
"I speak in code"
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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obiero
#54 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:09:02 AM
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Impunity wrote:
It can't go any lower.
"I speak in code"

Quotable quotes

KQ ABP 4.26
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chiaroscuro
#55 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:14:36 AM
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There are two ways to value a company:

1] what it owns versus what it owes - net assets
2] What it earns and what it CAN earn in future - current AND future profits

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a company that owes more than it owns, isn't making profit and has no promise of ever becoming profitable?

Now I know why they say that common sense is not very common!
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obiero
#56 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:29:32 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
There are two ways to value a company:

1] what it owns versus what it owes - net assets
2] What it earns and what it CAN earn in future - current AND future profits

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a company that owes more than it owns, isn't making profit and has no promise of ever becoming profitable?

Now I know why they say that common sense is not very common!

True. Its odd for anyone in right senses to claim that a firm that once obtained annual profit in excess of KES 6B; has no promise of ever becoming profitable

KQ ABP 4.26
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Spikes
#57 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:18:11 AM
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obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
There are two ways to value a company:

1] what it owns versus what it owes - net assets
2] What it earns and what it CAN earn in future - current AND future profits

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a company that owes more than it owns, isn't making profit and has no promise of ever becoming profitable?

Now I know why they say that common sense is not very common!

True. Its odd for anyone in right senses to claim that a firm that once obtained annual profit in excess of KES 6B; has no promise of ever becoming profitable


Most young investors are tired of a long wait and hoping things will be ok. Eti hope pia ni strategy tuliachia wazee pamoja na hiyo long wait.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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sparkly
#58 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:46:43 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
There are two ways to value a company:

1] what it owns versus what it owes - net assets
2] What it earns and what it CAN earn in future - current AND future profits

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a company that owes more than it owns, isn't making profit and has no promise of ever becoming profitable?

Now I know why they say that common sense is not very common!


3] trading price of companies with comparable performance. In case of KQ, listed companies in losses, negative equity and cashflows are trading circa 50 cents.
Life is short. Live passionately.
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sparkly
#59 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 12:23:56 PM
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Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
There are two ways to value a company:

1] what it owns versus what it owes - net assets
2] What it earns and what it CAN earn in future - current AND future profits

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a company that owes more than it owns, isn't making profit and has no promise of ever becoming profitable?

Now I know why they say that common sense is not very common!

True. Its odd for anyone in right senses to claim that a firm that once obtained annual profit in excess of KES 6B; has no promise of ever becoming profitable


Most young investors are tired of a long wait and hoping things will be ok. Eti hope pia ni strategy tuliachia wazee pamoja na hiyo long wait.


@Spikes, this has nothing to do with age. We the elders are also disappointed in @Obiero's code speak. However, we follow the African code which states that an elder should not be caned in public, infront of children and women. I assure you that we will convene soon and summon @Obiero for discipline.
Life is short. Live passionately.
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chiaroscuro
#60 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2019 1:43:37 PM
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obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
There are two ways to value a company:

1] what it owns versus what it owes - net assets
2] What it earns and what it CAN earn in future - current AND future profits

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a company that owes more than it owns, isn't making profit and has no promise of ever becoming profitable?

Now I know why they say that common sense is not very common!

True. Its odd for anyone in right senses to claim that a firm that once obtained annual profit in excess of KES 6B; has no promise of ever becoming profitable


When was that?

the last time Kenya Airways made a profit was 2012... Then:
2013= sh10.8bn loss
2014= sh4.9bn loss
2015= sh29.7bn loss
2016= sh26.1bn loss
2017= sh10.2bn loss
2018= sh7.6bn loss

Na bado kuna watu wanaona hope hapo. OK!
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