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#13321 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 1:24:41 PM
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nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Minority shareholders hold 3%...I think it's a good offer https://www.channelnewsa...nationalisation-11754146
chiaroscuro
#13322 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 2:31:25 PM
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nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!
obiero
#13323 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 5:27:29 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#13324 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 5:38:07 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#13325 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 7:08:18 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#13326 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 7:30:58 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#13327 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:11:17 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,667
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#13328 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:17:13 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.

Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#13329 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:12:06 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.

Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority
What was the NAV/share of KQ in Jan 2017?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#13330 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:12:52 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.

Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority


Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are:

1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ?
2. Will the buyout happen and at what price?

These are the legal provisions:

3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved.

4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer.

5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable.

6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others.

In conclusion:

7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury.

8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative.

9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless.

10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief.

My thoughts, comments are welcome.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Impunity
#13331 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:18:19 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
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At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Ericsson
#13332 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 3:54:55 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,667
Location: NAIROBI
Impunity wrote:
At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?

At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#13333 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 4:42:58 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Impunity wrote:
At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?

At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity

Insane

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#13334 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 6:44:04 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.

Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority


Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are:

1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ?
2. Will the buyout happen and at what price?

These are the legal provisions:

3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved.

4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer.

5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable.

6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others.

In conclusion:

7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury.

8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative.

9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless.

10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief.

My thoughts, comments are welcome.
Applause Applause Applause I miss these sort of analyses vs the path @Obiero has taken down Wazua on with "I speak in code", "Let me leave this here" and insults (though he seems to have backed off).

Well said @sparkly. Whereas I want KQ to succeed, I want it to succeed on its won and not on the basis of further Taxpayer guarantees/bailouts. Yes, it needs support but not bailouts as much as the environment it operates in and facilitation.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#13335 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 6:45:35 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Impunity wrote:
At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?

At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity
Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#13336 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 6:58:16 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.

Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority


Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are:

1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ?
2. Will the buyout happen and at what price?

These are the legal provisions:

3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved.

4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer.

5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable.

6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others.

In conclusion:

7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury.

8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative.

9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless.

10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief.

My thoughts, comments are welcome.
Applause Applause Applause I miss these sort of analyses vs the path @Obiero has taken down Wazua on with "I speak in code", "Let me leave this here" and insults (though he seems to have backed off).

Well said @sparkly. Whereas I want KQ to succeed, I want it to succeed on its won and not on the basis of further Taxpayer guarantees/bailouts. Yes, it needs support but not bailouts as much as the environment it operates in and facilitation.

Too many words used to describe a small matter.. There was a parliamentary committee whose resolutions were adopted by the national assembly, speculating whether or not it will happen is infantile

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#13337 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:16:17 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders


Domo, domo, domo!

There is nothing like that in the report!

But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out.

But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!

Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds
KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout.

Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52

Good luck Liar Laughing out loudly Liar Laughing out loudly
In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming Applause to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK.


https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q

Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article.

Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority


Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are:

1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ?
2. Will the buyout happen and at what price?

These are the legal provisions:

3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved.

4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer.

5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable.

6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others.

In conclusion:

7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury.

8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative.

9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless.

10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief.

My thoughts, comments are welcome.
Applause Applause Applause I miss these sort of analyses vs the path @Obiero has taken down Wazua on with "I speak in code", "Let me leave this here" and insults (though he seems to have backed off).

Well said @sparkly. Whereas I want KQ to succeed, I want it to succeed on its won and not on the basis of further Taxpayer guarantees/bailouts. Yes, it needs support but not bailouts as much as the environment it operates in and facilitation.

Too many words used to describe a small matter.. There was a parliamentary committee whose resolutions were adopted by the national assembly, speculating whether or not it will happen is infantile

@Sparkly - Analysis
@Obiero - Insults

What type of Wazua do we want?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#13338 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:23:20 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,667
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Impunity wrote:
At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?

At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity
Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest?

Yes plus the interest they will get on the treasury bond
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#13339 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:18:24 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Impunity wrote:
At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?

At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity
Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest?

Yes plus the interest they will get on the treasury bond
Given KQLC was forced into this deal by GoK. I think KQ even went to court to force some banks to take the deal means KQLC should be made whole. Those who voluntarily bought shares in KQ do not deserve the same treatment.

I bought shares in ARM and I can't and do not expect a bailout from CDC, banks or anyone else.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#13340 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2019 9:34:57 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Impunity wrote:
At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks?

At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity
Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest?

Yes plus the interest they will get on the treasury bond
Given KQLC was forced into this deal by GoK. I think KQ even went to court to force some banks to take the deal means KQLC should be made whole. Those who voluntarily bought shares in KQ do not deserve the same treatment.

I bought shares in ARM and I can't and do not expect a bailout from CDC, banks or anyone else.

Your thinking is wrong. KQ never went to court. It’s the three banks that took KQ to court https://www.standardmedi...ks-on-loan-restructuring

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