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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Minority shareholders hold 3%...I think it's a good offer https://www.channelnewsa...nationalisation-11754146
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,667 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority What was the NAV/share of KQ in Jan 2017? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are: 1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ? 2. Will the buyout happen and at what price? These are the legal provisions: 3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved. 4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer. 5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable. 6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others. In conclusion: 7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury. 8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative. 9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless. 10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief. My thoughts, comments are welcome. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,667 Location: NAIROBI
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Impunity wrote:At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:Impunity wrote:At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity Insane HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are: 1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ? 2. Will the buyout happen and at what price? These are the legal provisions: 3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved. 4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer. 5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable. 6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others. In conclusion: 7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury. 8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative. 9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless. 10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief. My thoughts, comments are welcome. I miss these sort of analyses vs the path @Obiero has taken down Wazua on with "I speak in code", "Let me leave this here" and insults (though he seems to have backed off). Well said @sparkly. Whereas I want KQ to succeed, I want it to succeed on its won and not on the basis of further Taxpayer guarantees/bailouts. Yes, it needs support but not bailouts as much as the environment it operates in and facilitation. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:Impunity wrote:At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are: 1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ? 2. Will the buyout happen and at what price? These are the legal provisions: 3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved. 4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer. 5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable. 6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others. In conclusion: 7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury. 8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative. 9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless. 10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief. My thoughts, comments are welcome. I miss these sort of analyses vs the path @Obiero has taken down Wazua on with "I speak in code", "Let me leave this here" and insults (though he seems to have backed off). Well said @sparkly. Whereas I want KQ to succeed, I want it to succeed on its won and not on the basis of further Taxpayer guarantees/bailouts. Yes, it needs support but not bailouts as much as the environment it operates in and facilitation. Too many words used to describe a small matter.. There was a parliamentary committee whose resolutions were adopted by the national assembly, speculating whether or not it will happen is infantile HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:nairobby wrote:Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders Domo, domo, domo! There is nothing like that in the report! But give him credit for he appears to know that minority shareholders are holding about 163 million shares and the NSE price is about Sh4.75, thus about Sh800M would be required to buy them out. But the question remains: why would anyone pay Sh800 for something that is truly worth NEGATIVE sh270 million. Hiyo ni wizi na wazimu! Fixated on KES 800m while KQLC and KLM get KES 27B worth in bonds KQLC were forced to convert the debt to equity. KLM & those who bought shares in KQ do not deserve a bailout. Deserved or not, it is coming.. And it will not be less than KES 8.52 Good luck In the meantime, my KenRe dividend & bonus is coming to help offset the loss on ARM. Actually, the loss on ARM was covered by many multiples by KK. https://uk.reuters.com/a...tion-plan-idUKKCN1UK22Q
Minority shareholders will be bought out at about ksh.4.6 per share going by the article. Can’t happen, won’t happen. No one is explaining why the buyout couldn’t have happened in 2017, before dilution of the so-called minority Let us look at the bigger picture. The questions are: 1. Are parliament's recommendations for nationalization binding on Treasury and KQ? 2. Will the buyout happen and at what price? These are the legal provisions: 3. PIIP proposal was presented to parliament to satisfy constitutional requirement for public participation since JKIA a GOK asset was involved. 4. Parliament played it's part by considering and rejecting the PIIP. Ideally, it should have stopped at the "No" answer. 5. Recommendation for nationalization is not binding on Treasury and KQ since it is not law. Parliament will have to pass a Bill or an amendment Bill declaring KQ a state corporation to make the recommendation actionable. 6. If Treasury decides to go ahead with the recommendations, nationalization will be subject to compliance with acquisition provisions under Companies Act, approvals of KCAA, CMA, NSE, CAK among others. In conclusion: 7. Parliament's recommendations for nationalization are not binding on Treasury. 8. As a matter of policy, likelihood of nationalization is 50-50. It depends on Parliament's and/or Treasury's initiative. 9. In practice, UMK's government is disorganized, inefficient and broke. Expect Omtata to go to court to block Treasury from using public funds to buyout worthless shares. Secondly, KQ is insolvent, with a transational CEO. It is flying rudderless. 10. Open offer is still the best option for KQ to get capital for temporary relief. My thoughts, comments are welcome. I miss these sort of analyses vs the path @Obiero has taken down Wazua on with "I speak in code", "Let me leave this here" and insults (though he seems to have backed off). Well said @sparkly. Whereas I want KQ to succeed, I want it to succeed on its won and not on the basis of further Taxpayer guarantees/bailouts. Yes, it needs support but not bailouts as much as the environment it operates in and facilitation. Too many words used to describe a small matter.. There was a parliamentary committee whose resolutions were adopted by the national assembly, speculating whether or not it will happen is infantile @Sparkly - Analysis @Obiero - Insults What type of Wazua do we want? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,667 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Impunity wrote:At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest? Yes plus the interest they will get on the treasury bond Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Impunity wrote:At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest? Yes plus the interest they will get on the treasury bond Given KQLC was forced into this deal by GoK. I think KQ even went to court to force some banks to take the deal means KQLC should be made whole. Those who voluntarily bought shares in KQ do not deserve the same treatment. I bought shares in ARM and I can't and do not expect a bailout from CDC, banks or anyone else. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:Impunity wrote:At what rate will the treasury bond be sold to the banks? At a mark up of ksh.4.3bn from the original conversion to equity Is this to compensate KQLC for the lost interest? Yes plus the interest they will get on the treasury bond Given KQLC was forced into this deal by GoK. I think KQ even went to court to force some banks to take the deal means KQLC should be made whole. Those who voluntarily bought shares in KQ do not deserve the same treatment. I bought shares in ARM and I can't and do not expect a bailout from CDC, banks or anyone else. Your thinking is wrong. KQ never went to court. It’s the three banks that took KQ to court https://www.standardmedi...ks-on-loan-restructuring HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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