Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
IRAN v/s ISRAEL+USA WAR.
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
|
gk wrote:The Iranian leadership won't kowtow to the US; sanctions or no sanctions. Standing up to the West is what keeps it in power. As it stands now none of these players will want to lose face by climbing down from their hawkish positions.
Meanwhile, Iran is now making the most of the mess by accelerating the nuclear programme to shore up its bargaining position in future talks.
I agree with these observations. Analyzing them further; The moves by Iran have a very high likelihood of being counter productive. Most of the powers involved agree that Iran should not be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb, and if they move too far in that direction, action should be taken. US & Israel are less coy about it, they announce clearly that they would take military action if they were convinced that Iran is on a path to a nuclear weapon. Israel can very likely do it in a surprise way and nobody will raise a finger now that Trump is in their pocket. Russia will be disinterested at best. Remember Syria which has always been a client state and a real protege of Russia often gets hit by Israel at will despite Russia's military presence there. We got to appreciating the geopolitics of this world, not to rely on fantasies. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
|
Nandwa wrote:gk wrote:Nandwa wrote:Iran now on desperation mode!
Using a drone to buzz a US Military Ship, the drone is downed.
Seizing a UK flagged tanker - now risks EU countries deploying their military next to their coastline.
Arresting and sentencing to death of "CIA spies" - Iranian citizens!
You can't help but feel sorry for the UK. They're trying desperately to please the US at whose advise they captured the Iranian ship. Now Iran has done what they do best: hitting back! The UK can't release the ship without antagonising Trump yet they also have no muscle to wrestle Iran. Things are quickly getting ugly for all but this is going to be Boris or Hunt's real test in the coming days. .. At least this looks like a serious take on the issue, that is worth engaging. Of course the situation is problematic for UK, - more on diplomatic and PR outlook. But things are critical for Iran. The matter of Trump walking out on the nuclear deal is quite a different dimension. I am on recording calling Trump out on that. Right now I am making an observation on how Tehran is doing business, and I see desperation. One can't tell for sure how things will pan out going forward, but to fantasise that Russia would fight US or EU countries for Iran is laughable. UK & EU have been sympathetic to Iran on the nuclear deal matter, but Iran is working very hard to turn the allies on that front into enemies. Desperation???? Iran is only getting bolder and bolder. Several things you may need to know: 1. There's the small matter of the Hormuz Strait. Iran can easily shut down that strait, in a jiffy. And boom! Close to 30% of the worlds oil, mostly heading to China, will be blocked. 2. On that account alone, China wouldn't allow that to happen. 3. Russia? Iran is essentially holding the World by the balls by virtue of that little geostrategic matter....forget about Nukes, that was simply a second layer of security. Iran can collapse the entire planet's economy. The Mother-of-all-strategic-defences is the Hormuz Strait. Iran, is un-attackable, my friend. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
|
simonkabz wrote:Nandwa wrote:gk wrote:Nandwa wrote:Iran now on desperation mode!
Using a drone to buzz a US Military Ship, the drone is downed.
Seizing a UK flagged tanker - now risks EU countries deploying their military next to their coastline.
Arresting and sentencing to death of "CIA spies" - Iranian citizens!
You can't help but feel sorry for the UK. They're trying desperately to please the US at whose advise they captured the Iranian ship. Now Iran has done what they do best: hitting back! The UK can't release the ship without antagonising Trump yet they also have no muscle to wrestle Iran. Things are quickly getting ugly for all but this is going to be Boris or Hunt's real test in the coming days. .. At least this looks like a serious take on the issue, that is worth engaging. Of course the situation is problematic for UK, - more on diplomatic and PR outlook. But things are critical for Iran. The matter of Trump walking out on the nuclear deal is quite a different dimension. I am on recording calling Trump out on that. Right now I am making an observation on how Tehran is doing business, and I see desperation. One can't tell for sure how things will pan out going forward, but to fantasise that Russia would fight US or EU countries for Iran is laughable. UK & EU have been sympathetic to Iran on the nuclear deal matter, but Iran is working very hard to turn the allies on that front into enemies. Desperation???? Iran is only getting bolder and bolder. Several things you may need to know: 1. There's the small matter of the Hormuz Strait. Iran can easily shut down that strait, in a jiffy. And boom! Close to 30% of the worlds oil, mostly heading to China, will be blocked.
2. On that account alone, China wouldn't allow that to happen.3. Russia? Iran is essentially holding the World by the balls by virtue of that little geostrategic matter....forget about Nukes, that was simply a second layer of security. Iran can collapse the entire planet's economy. The Mother-of-all-strategic-defences is the Hormuz Strait. Iran, is un-attackable, my friend. I would imagine then that if Iran did that, they would be adding China as yet another enemy. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
|
The only country that may effect a limited war (in the form of a few air-strikes) against Iran is Israel, for it has nothing much to lose, at least individually. However, I suspect Iran would react in the same way.....compromise the Hormuz strait until the big powers intervene. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
|
Nandwa wrote:simonkabz wrote:Nandwa wrote:gk wrote:Nandwa wrote:Iran now on desperation mode!
Using a drone to buzz a US Military Ship, the drone is downed.
Seizing a UK flagged tanker - now risks EU countries deploying their military next to their coastline.
Arresting and sentencing to death of "CIA spies" - Iranian citizens!
You can't help but feel sorry for the UK. They're trying desperately to please the US at whose advise they captured the Iranian ship. Now Iran has done what they do best: hitting back! The UK can't release the ship without antagonising Trump yet they also have no muscle to wrestle Iran. Things are quickly getting ugly for all but this is going to be Boris or Hunt's real test in the coming days. .. At least this looks like a serious take on the issue, that is worth engaging. Of course the situation is problematic for UK, - more on diplomatic and PR outlook. But things are critical for Iran. The matter of Trump walking out on the nuclear deal is quite a different dimension. I am on recording calling Trump out on that. Right now I am making an observation on how Tehran is doing business, and I see desperation. One can't tell for sure how things will pan out going forward, but to fantasise that Russia would fight US or EU countries for Iran is laughable. UK & EU have been sympathetic to Iran on the nuclear deal matter, but Iran is working very hard to turn the allies on that front into enemies. Desperation???? Iran is only getting bolder and bolder. Several things you may need to know: 1. There's the small matter of the Hormuz Strait. Iran can easily shut down that strait, in a jiffy. And boom! Close to 30% of the worlds oil, mostly heading to China, will be blocked.
2. On that account alone, China wouldn't allow that to happen.3. Russia? Iran is essentially holding the World by the balls by virtue of that little geostrategic matter....forget about Nukes, that was simply a second layer of security. Iran can collapse the entire planet's economy. The Mother-of-all-strategic-defences is the Hormuz Strait. Iran, is un-attackable, my friend. I would imagine then that if Iran did that, they would be adding China as yet another enemy. You don't get it. The moment that strait is closed, we'll be buying fuel na huko Ksh 1000. That's total collapse. Nobody can risk that......except Israel and its selfish jews. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
|
It is feared that Iran's strategy mainly would be 1.to litter the strait of Hormuz with bombs to bring shipping to its knees. 2. To send missiles to Tel Aviv - most of which would be intercepted anyway. By behaving that way, most of the world would unite against them. Trump would have a perfect opportunity to effect regime change. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
|
Nandwa wrote:It is feared that Iran's strategy mainly would be
1.to litter the strait of Hormuz with bombs to bring shipping to its knees.
2. To send missiles to Tel Aviv - most of which would be intercepted anyway.
By behaving that way, most of the world would unite against them.
Trump would have a perfect opportunity to effect regime change. You still don't get it. You can't LOL. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
|
Nandwa wrote:It is feared that Iran's strategy mainly would be
1.to litter the strait of Hormuz with bombs to bring shipping to its knees.
2. To send missiles to Tel Aviv - most of which would be intercepted anyway.
By behaving that way, most of the world would unite against them.
Trump would have a perfect opportunity to effect regime change. Planning a war takes time, (especially in the middle east) not the way Trump wants us to believe it can happen overnight. Remember there will be UN discussions and resolutions. Of course Trump will belittle any UN resolution that will be against US actions and therein. Therein lies the problem coz he will go to way supported by few countries. It will likely be USA vs China (& Russia at the back). In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
|
Angelica _ann wrote:Nandwa wrote:It is feared that Iran's strategy mainly would be
1.to litter the strait of Hormuz with bombs to bring shipping to its knees.
2. To send missiles to Tel Aviv - most of which would be intercepted anyway.
By behaving that way, most of the world would unite against them.
Trump would have a perfect opportunity to effect regime change. Planning a war takes time, (especially in the middle east) not the way Trump wants us to believe it can happen overnight. Remember there will be UN discussions and resolutions. Of course Trump will belittle any UN resolution that will be against US actions and therein. Therein lies the problem coz he will go to way supported by few countries. It will likely be USA vs China (& Russia at the back). Trump - a clown I don't support at all - and his administration are centred on striking Iran's nuclear program infrastructure - should Iran advance significantly in developing a bomb. Such an operation does not involve a lot of warfare to execute. Indeed any other US administration whether Republican or Democrat would strike Iran in such circumstances. War with China, Russia, mmmmmmm...... Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
|
Nandwa wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nandwa wrote:It is feared that Iran's strategy mainly would be
1.to litter the strait of Hormuz with bombs to bring shipping to its knees.
2. To send missiles to Tel Aviv - most of which would be intercepted anyway.
By behaving that way, most of the world would unite against them.
Trump would have a perfect opportunity to effect regime change. Planning a war takes time, (especially in the middle east) not the way Trump wants us to believe it can happen overnight. Remember there will be UN discussions and resolutions. Of course Trump will belittle any UN resolution that will be against US actions and therein. Therein lies the problem coz he will go to way supported by few countries. It will likely be USA vs China (& Russia at the back). Trump - a clown I don't support at all - and his administration are centred on striking Iran's nuclear program infrastructure - should Iran advance significantly in developing a bomb. Such an operation does not involve a lot of warfare to execute. Indeed any other US administration whether Republican or Democrat would strike Iran in such circumstances. War with China, Russia, mmmmmmm...... Unanistua. That is a very shallow understanding of warfare, National & International Affairs as well as Geo-politics. I will tell you again, and Again, nobody is attacking Iran. If that's what you are anticipating in earnest, sorry to disappoint you my brother. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
|
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
IRAN v/s ISRAEL+USA WAR.
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|