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heri
#1331 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2019 9:19:46 AM
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https://www.nation.co.ke...320-13dv0nwz/index.html


The 120km extension to Naivasha comes at a staggering $12.5 million per kilometre while the Kisumu extension would have cost even more — at an unjustifiable $13.6 million!

For their electrified rail, Ethiopians paid $4.5 million per kilometre, Nigerians $4.6 million for the Abuja-Kaduna line and Tanzanians $4.0 million for the Dar es Salaam-Morogoro line being developed by a Turkish company.

If the above figures are to be believed and despite the huge land acquisition costs ( inflated) what else can explain Kenya spending 3 times ? and can we even ever be competitive when our asset is so costly from the word go?
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hardwood
#1332 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:05:38 AM
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heri wrote:
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/China-had-good-reasons-to-deny-Kenya-loan-for-SGR-extension/440808-5113320-13dv0nwz/index.html


The 120km extension to Naivasha comes at a staggering $12.5 million per kilometre while the Kisumu extension would have cost even more — at an unjustifiable $13.6 million!

For their electrified rail, Ethiopians paid $4.5 million per kilometre, Nigerians $4.6 million for the Abuja-Kaduna line and Tanzanians $4.0 million for the Dar es Salaam-Morogoro line being developed by a Turkish company.

If the above figures are to be believed and despite the huge land acquisition costs ( inflated) what else can explain Kenya spending 3 times ? and can we even ever be competitive when our asset is so costly from the word go?


Consider the cost of pillars going over the nairobi national park, then the tunnels through the ngong hills. Then the crazy land acquisition costs particularly in the densely populated and expensive rongai and ngong areas. Compare that with ethiopia and TZ where the govt owns all the land thus no land acquisition costs and also their terrain is much better.

Also note that the TZ SGR train derailed on day 1 which says alot about the quality of the work by the turkish contractors. Note that britain is contracting the chinese to build modern railways in britain.

http://www.globalconstru...e-bidders-high-r7a7i7l/

https://www.scmp.com/eco...rail-project-high-level
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kawambui
#1333 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:49:32 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
kawambui wrote:
tinker wrote:
Gathige wrote:
tinker wrote:
Is Adventist university of Africa-Magadi Road holding back on-time completion of SGR Phase 2A?.

I noticed SGR girders on each end of CMM grounds (@ Maxwell area) on either side of the conference grounds. suggesting that,the contractor is yet to get access to that ground.
Any one in the know on what is going on there?.



@tinker, The dispute is over compensation at CMM as the SGR takes the whole of the CMM land ( a narrow long path). The Adventist land was not touched at all. There was an article on the compensation scandal around CMM land. Will try and google it and place it here.


@Gathige, Thanks. I googled and this is what I got.

https://www.standardmedi...ims-being-probed-by-dci

Below shocked me;

....that a man in the meeting was saying that no one in government could help them, including the head of state.
and
....Initial estimates had valued the land at Sh600 million, but by the stroke of his magic, the church was to receive upward of Sh927 million.

A parcel of land under 2 acres to cost almost 1B (in DC), Jameni nani alitoroga.




The land is about 13 acres and it is quite developed. .


Is SGR taking whole of the 13 acres, no?




The rail is going right through the middle of the institution, and their piece of land is like a narrow strip.You can see the pillars already put up on their undeveloped land.
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Thitifini
#1334 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2019 7:35:45 PM
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Repayments for sgr to shoot from 8b to 35b from July.

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Swenani
#1335 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:33:12 AM
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Thitifini wrote:
Repayments for sgr to shoot from 8b to 35b from July.


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If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Angelica _ann
#1336 Posted : Saturday, June 01, 2019 10:48:28 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Thitifini wrote:
Repayments for sgr to shoot from 8b to 35b from July.


pesa kidogo sana


Pocket change for Jubilee Government!!!
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#1337 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:49:30 PM
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Kenya signed a secret agreement with the Chinese allowing a mystery company with unknown local shareholders to run the Standard Gauge Railway, documents seen by the Sunday Nation show. The company is demanding for Ksh. 30billion!!!
https://t.co/YWAysluy52

You've been asking what big fish is, now you know.

BBI will solve it :)
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radiomast
#1338 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2019 7:53:13 PM
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hardwood wrote:


Consider the cost of pillars going over the nairobi national park, then the tunnels through the ngong hills. Then the crazy land acquisition costs particularly in the densely populated and expensive rongai and ngong areas. Compare that with ethiopia and TZ where the govt owns all the land thus no land acquisition costs and also their terrain is much better.

Also note that the TZ SGR train derailed on day 1 which says alot about the quality of the work by the turkish contractors. Note that britain is contracting the chinese to build modern railways in britain.

http://www.globalconstru...e-bidders-high-r7a7i7l/

https://www.scmp.com/eco...rail-project-high-level



This is why I have been saying that land speculation is detrimental to Kenya's economy.

People who have inside info on pending government projects actually buy land in those areas. Remember how kina wetangula bought land in Turkana before gava announced that oil was discovered ? Same thing probably happened with SGR and some people with inside info made big bucks and ended up inflating the cost of the project.

Gava should stop this menace through higher property taxes or higher land rates for people who buy land purely for speculation.

The country is getting crowded. Space is limited. The last thing Kenya needs is land sitting around idle.
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hardwood
#1339 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2019 7:59:06 PM
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radiomast wrote:
hardwood wrote:


Consider the cost of pillars going over the nairobi national park, then the tunnels through the ngong hills. Then the crazy land acquisition costs particularly in the densely populated and expensive rongai and ngong areas. Compare that with ethiopia and TZ where the govt owns all the land thus no land acquisition costs and also their terrain is much better.

Also note that the TZ SGR train derailed on day 1 which says alot about the quality of the work by the turkish contractors. Note that britain is contracting the chinese to build modern railways in britain.

http://www.globalconstru...e-bidders-high-r7a7i7l/

https://www.scmp.com/eco...rail-project-high-level



This is why I have been saying that land speculation is detrimental to Kenya's economy.

People who have inside info on pending government projects actually buy land in those areas. Remember how kina wetangula bought land in Turkana before gava announced that oil was discovered ? Same thing probably happened with SGR and some people with inside info made big bucks and ended up inflating the cost of the project.

Gava should stop this menace through higher property taxes or higher land rates for people who buy land purely for speculation.

The country is getting crowded. Space is limited. The last thing Kenya needs is land sitting around idle.


You have to pity those who bought on the proposed narok-kisumu sgr route only for the project to be abandoned.
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mpobiz
#1340 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:43:02 AM
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hardwood wrote:
radiomast wrote:
hardwood wrote:


Consider the cost of pillars going over the nairobi national park, then the tunnels through the ngong hills. Then the crazy land acquisition costs particularly in the densely populated and expensive rongai and ngong areas. Compare that with ethiopia and TZ where the govt owns all the land thus no land acquisition costs and also their terrain is much better.

Also note that the TZ SGR train derailed on day 1 which says alot about the quality of the work by the turkish contractors. Note that britain is contracting the chinese to build modern railways in britain.

http://www.globalconstru...e-bidders-high-r7a7i7l/

https://www.scmp.com/eco...rail-project-high-level



This is why I have been saying that land speculation is detrimental to Kenya's economy.

People who have inside info on pending government projects actually buy land in those areas. Remember how kina wetangula bought land in Turkana before gava announced that oil was discovered ? Same thing probably happened with SGR and some people with inside info made big bucks and ended up inflating the cost of the project.

Gava should stop this menace through higher property taxes or higher land rates for people who buy land purely for speculation.

The country is getting crowded. Space is limited. The last thing Kenya needs is land sitting around idle.


You have to pity those who bought on the proposed narok-kisumu sgr route only for the project to be abandoned.

Kenya is not crowded there is a lot of government idle land or land owned by communities. The government should speed up the issuance of New titles and that will open up New frontiers and thus bring the cost of land down. This opinion is based on no research but my own assumptions
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