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US - China tariffs war
murchr
#41 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 3:43:19 PM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all.
If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business.
The Chinese are already boycotting the phone that's why Apple had to lower its revenue forecast. Now the interesting part is the phone's supply chain is largely Chinese and moving that to another country is close to impossible.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
mpobiz
#42 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 4:27:34 PM
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I think this war is not US and China it's US+EU against China. China will loose wakubali mapema. Once this wazungu come after you better surrender or else end like Saddam and Iraq
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
murchr
#43 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 4:30:31 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
I think this war is not US and China it's US+EU against China. China will loose wakubali mapema. Once this wazungu come after you better surrender or else end like Saddam and Iraq
EU have been reluctant in agreeing with Trump on Huawei. Actually there are no changes in taxes btn China and EU, but Trump has tariffs on EU stuff entering the US market
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
2012
#44 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 4:59:37 PM
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murchr wrote:
mpobiz wrote:
I think this war is not US and China it's US+EU against China. China will loose wakubali mapema. Once this wazungu come after you better surrender or else end like Saddam and Iraq
EU have been reluctant in agreeing with Trump on Huawei. Actually there are no changes in taxes btn China and EU, but Trump has tariffs on EU stuff entering the US market
EU is too divided to speak in one voice. Of course most don't like China but they don't want to be against China because they could be their only savior when things get thick. It's the same with Africa. The Chinese are nobody's friends.
BBI will solve it :)
Rollout
#45 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 5:15:24 PM
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hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all.
If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business.
China should shut Apple manufacturing factories which are all located in china and cripple apple 100%.
Shutting down Apple Manufacturing facilities will not happen because it will be the beginning of the end of China communist party. The ripple effect will lead to collapse of the GOV and the ruling elites know that. 1. There will be immediate mass unemployment associated with Apple factories closure 2. It will signal other foreign manufactures that its time to open shops in other East Asia countries leading to a ripple and graduate shift of production by other companies to other countries creating a compounding long term increase unemployment. 3. China need technology and they are learning by having apple and other companies in their country. With high unemployment the economy will slow down and the party will loose support from the masses
mpobiz
#46 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 5:30:48 PM
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Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all.
If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business.
China should shut Apple manufacturing factories which are all located in china and cripple apple 100%.
Shutting down Apple Manufacturing facilities will not happen because it will be the beginning of the end of China communist party. The ripple effect will lead to collapse of the GOV and the ruling elites know that. 1. There will be immediate mass unemployment associated with Apple factories closure 2. It will signal other foreign manufactures that its time to open shops in other East Asia countries leading to a ripple and graduate shift of production by other companies to other countries creating a compounding long term increase unemployment. 3. China need technology and they are learning by having apple and other companies in their country. With high unemployment the economy will slow down and the party will loose support from the masses
My thoughts exactly. China is in no position to bully any western country. All its manufacturing and all its market is in the west. Now that the west has seen that China is trying to show that its growing some balls. Manufacturing wil soon be moving to other Asian countries like Vietnam Thailand and Indonesia . Taiwan is also another destination.
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
murchr
#47 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 5:47:56 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all.
If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business.
China should shut Apple manufacturing factories which are all located in china and cripple apple 100%.
Shutting down Apple Manufacturing facilities will not happen because it will be the beginning of the end of China communist party. The ripple effect will lead to collapse of the GOV and the ruling elites know that. 1. There will be immediate mass unemployment associated with Apple factories closure 2. It will signal other foreign manufactures that its time to open shops in other East Asia countries leading to a ripple and graduate shift of production by other companies to other countries creating a compounding long term increase unemployment. 3. China need technology and they are learning by having apple and other companies in their country. With high unemployment the economy will slow down and the party will loose support from the masses
My thoughts exactly. China is in no position to bully any western country. All its manufacturing and all its market is in the west. Now that the west has seen that China is trying to show that its growing some balls. Manufacturing wil soon be moving to other Asian countries like Vietnam Thailand and Indonesia . Taiwan is also another destination.
That will be a long shot. Manufacturing is not just building factories, you will have to train those workers to be as efficient as those of the country you are leaving so I do not see any company making that kind of move. These companies also want to sell to the 1B chinese population so leaving also implies leaving behind that market that they will find no where else. That's why Walmart has alerted their customers to expect higher prices Currently, Trump hasnt slapped tariffs on Apple products but if he imposes it on the rest of the items then the prices of Apple phones is bound to go up
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
tycho
#48 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 6:07:12 PM
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I wonder if these tariff wars will not spin off to other kinds of wars especially in other geographical regions, just like the cold war might have causes proxy wars and instability like in Africa.
mpobiz
#49 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 6:33:25 PM
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murchr wrote:
mpobiz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all.
If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business.
China should shut Apple manufacturing factories which are all located in china and cripple apple 100%.
Shutting down Apple Manufacturing facilities will not happen because it will be the beginning of the end of China communist party. The ripple effect will lead to collapse of the GOV and the ruling elites know that. 1. There will be immediate mass unemployment associated with Apple factories closure 2. It will signal other foreign manufactures that its time to open shops in other East Asia countries leading to a ripple and graduate shift of production by other companies to other countries creating a compounding long term increase unemployment. 3. China need technology and they are learning by having apple and other companies in their country. With high unemployment the economy will slow down and the party will loose support from the masses
My thoughts exactly. China is in no position to bully any western country. All its manufacturing and all its market is in the west. Now that the west has seen that China is trying to show that its growing some balls. Manufacturing wil soon be moving to other Asian countries like Vietnam Thailand and Indonesia . Taiwan is also another destination.
That will be a long shot. Manufacturing is not just building factories, you will have to train those workers to be as efficient as those of the country you are leaving so I do not see any company making that kind of move. These companies also want to sell to the 1B chinese population so leaving also implies leaving behind that market that they will find no where else. That's why Walmart has alerted their customers to expect higher prices Currently, Trump hasnt slapped tariffs on Apple products but if he imposes it on the rest of the items then the prices of Apple phones is bound to go up
The 1b market you are talking about is only made up of peasants. That's not the target market for Americans or EU. They will move elsewhere very fast. They will gamble and create efficiency elsewhere. I once saw on tv how Boeing constructed a factory from scratch and started making planes. If Africa had the right infrastructure like power and ports .. they could move here too we also have a 1b population(market)
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
murchr
#50 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 7:34:05 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
murchr wrote:
mpobiz wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all.
If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business.
China should shut Apple manufacturing factories which are all located in china and cripple apple 100%.
Shutting down Apple Manufacturing facilities will not happen because it will be the beginning of the end of China communist party. The ripple effect will lead to collapse of the GOV and the ruling elites know that. 1. There will be immediate mass unemployment associated with Apple factories closure 2. It will signal other foreign manufactures that its time to open shops in other East Asia countries leading to a ripple and graduate shift of production by other companies to other countries creating a compounding long term increase unemployment. 3. China need technology and they are learning by having apple and other companies in their country. With high unemployment the economy will slow down and the party will loose support from the masses
My thoughts exactly. China is in no position to bully any western country. All its manufacturing and all its market is in the west. Now that the west has seen that China is trying to show that its growing some balls. Manufacturing wil soon be moving to other Asian countries like Vietnam Thailand and Indonesia . Taiwan is also another destination.
That will be a long shot. Manufacturing is not just building factories, you will have to train those workers to be as efficient as those of the country you are leaving so I do not see any company making that kind of move. These companies also want to sell to the 1B chinese population so leaving also implies leaving behind that market that they will find no where else. That's why Walmart has alerted their customers to expect higher prices Currently, Trump hasnt slapped tariffs on Apple products but if he imposes it on the rest of the items then the prices of Apple phones is bound to go up
The 1b market you are talking about is only made up of peasants. That's not the target market for Americans or EU. They will move elsewhere very fast. They will gamble and create efficiency elsewhere. I once saw on tv how Boeing constructed a factory from scratch and started making planes. If Africa had the right infrastructure like power and ports .. they could move here too we also have a 1b population(market)
You are a joke. The Chinese middle class comprises of 420million people - That is more than the entire population of America. McKinsey predicts 75% of the urban population will be termed as middle class in 2022. The U.S. has taken the path of —deregulation, anti-labor laws, free trade, privatization, slashing social services, and letting banks run wild on speculation. The purpose was to enrich the top 1% by cutting labor costs through offshoring, and other programs. China did the opposite—it built up manufacturing, continued to heavily regulate the economy and plan for it, maintained a nationalized financial system, and has been implementing retirement and healthcare benefits for its people. The results speak for themselves Boeing building a factory from scratch involved money expertise and labor no? Where else has Boeing operated. I know they opened a plant in China in December even with the tariff noise. Note companies will always take the easy way out. Pass that extra bill to the consumer. If anything, China will manipulate the Yuan Tesla
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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