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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:The next target area for Kenya Re that is remaining is the Indian Ocean islands of Mauritius,Seychelles,Madagascar,reunion islands and Comoros. With the business agreement signed between Kenya and Mauritius,establishing a subsidiary in Mauritius should not have several roadblocks. Kenya has welcomed Mauritius companies like SBM,Omnicane,Alteo Sugar Mauritius apparently makes it easy to register firms but it also heavily regulates its financial/insurance sector given its position as a Financial Hub. You do not want shady operators messing up your mojo. They cracked down heavily on Rawat of Britam. KenRe should have no issues opening a Mauritian subsidiary to target the "islands" for incremental growth but not an easy task given Mauritian firms are no slouches either. It can use the Mauritian subsidiary to launch into the rest of Africa where Mauritius has DTAs. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2009 Posts: 256
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VituVingiSana wrote:@maichblack @monk @KenyanOracle @Heri @Aguy @Kaufman @miennyma
Who is on this bus to Canaan with me? I don't understand the business case of the Insurance sector, so I keep a distance.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Monk wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maichblack @monk @KenyanOracle @Heri @Aguy @Kaufman @miennyma
Who is on this bus to Canaan with me? I don't understand the business case of the Insurance sector, so I keep a distance. WB would agree with you. Insurance and re-insurance are complex businesses. I am trying to understand more about them by reading as well talking to those in the industry. Not easy. Just as IFRS9 was a game-changer for banks' reporting so will the implementation of IFRS9 and IFRS17 for insurance firms by 2022. Kenya currently has about 45 insurance firms but we may end up with 30-ish by 2023. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:The next target area for Kenya Re that is remaining is the Indian Ocean islands of Mauritius,Seychelles,Madagascar,reunion islands and Comoros. With the business agreement signed between Kenya and Mauritius,establishing a subsidiary in Mauritius should not have several roadblocks. Kenya has welcomed Mauritius companies like SBM,Omnicane,Alteo Sugar Mauritius apparently makes it easy to register firms but it also heavily regulates its financial/insurance sector given its position as a Financial Hub. You do not want shady operators messing up your mojo. They cracked down heavily on Rawat of Britam. KenRe should have no issues opening a Mauritian subsidiary to target the "islands" for incremental growth but not an easy task given Mauritian firms are no slouches either. It can use the Mauritian subsidiary to launch into the rest of Africa where Mauritius has DTAs. The reinsurance companies in Mauritius are; African Reinsurance Corporation Best Re Mauritius Munich Mauritius Reinsurance Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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Uganda subsidiary will be a base to capture business in Rwanda,Burundi and Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Impact of the Ugandan subisdiary will be visible in FY2020 results Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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I am bullish on KenRe over the next few years. I keep wondering why it would issue such a bonus and perhaps it plans to grow regionally so it bulked up on its "Share Capital" which might be requirement by IRA or other regulators. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,501 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:I am bullish on KenRe over the next few years.
I keep wondering why it would issue such a bonus and perhaps it plans to grow regionally so it bulked up on its "Share Capital" which might be requirement by IRA or other regulators.
Keep wondering sir HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I am bullish on KenRe over the next few years.
I keep wondering why it would issue such a bonus and perhaps it plans to grow regionally so it bulked up on its "Share Capital" which might be requirement by IRA or other regulators.
Keep wondering sir We shall ask that question during the AGM. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report. It's not yet uploaded on the website Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report. It's not yet uploaded on the website NSE sent out a copy of the Financial Statements on 29th March. Ask your broker or @pesanane for help. I do not know how to upload it onto Wazua. Sorry. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Ericsson wrote:[quote=VituVingiSana]Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! With centum,they need to reduce the temptation to fall into debt trap.We all know what debts have done to many listed companies.At 89% debt to equity ratio,it does not reflect well on centum which prides itself as a company which strives to create value to shareholders. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=VituVingiSana]Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! With centum,they need to reduce the temptation to fall into debt trap.We all know what debts have done to many listed companies.At 89% debt to equity ratio,it does not reflect well on centum which prides itself as a company which strives to create value to shareholders. It's not 89%. Please discuss Centum on Centum's page Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report. It's not yet uploaded on the website NSE sent out a copy of the Financial Statements on 29th March. Ask your broker or @pesanane for help. I do not know how to upload it onto Wazua. Sorry. Financial statements that one I have read. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report. It's not yet uploaded on the website NSE sent out a copy of the Financial Statements on 29th March. Ask your broker or @pesanane for help. I do not know how to upload it onto Wazua. Sorry. Financial statements that one I have read. My bad. I meant the FS. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:[quote=VituVingiSana]Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019. Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions. KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates. After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too. KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares. I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary. Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell. I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings. KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates. Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.
I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better. Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in. For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! With centum,they need to reduce the temptation to fall into debt trap.We all know what debts have done to many listed companies.At 89% debt to equity ratio,it does not reflect well on centum which prides itself as a company which strives to create value to shareholders. It's not 89%. Please discuss Centum on Centum's page ok.let me go their and check. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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The tenure of the Chairman David Kibet Kemei ends next year having completed two terms of 3 years each Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,097 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:The tenure of the Chairman David Kibet Kemei ends next year having completed two terms of 3 years each Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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I really like that his looting scheme was never successful!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Angelica _ann wrote:I really like that his looting scheme was never successful!!! He tried last year but failed. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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