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Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:nairobby wrote:[quote=maka]
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years. Necessary if govt is truly committed to turning around KQ. I've listened to MJ on trading bell. He really seems committed to the cause. They need to fire whoever isn't sharing part of that vision and start cutting those costs before even thinking of expansion however. That was Mbuvi s plan... @Obiero peed on it... He used to say don't be shy to close a route that's not profitable.... Close it... Open it later.... Anyway... Changes in the offing... Capt Karanja is going to be Head of Ground Services... Msee wa Dago High School nice guy... Very thorough and focuses on processes... Director Ground Services has been scrapped... Head of Catering is also being scrapped... Abdalla is retiring... The company will only have a Manager Catering... Operation Excellence moves to Commercial.. Like I said before Jan and KLM crew are all leaving... Plus also the extra Polish guys... Interesting bit everything now revolves around Silling.... She might be the first lady CEO at KQ if Sebastian doesn't renew his contract.... Ngunze had a solid plan including the restructuring.. His vision was to shrink and then grow which was sensible. Also asset sales were necessary. Mikosz has a distinctly different plan which includes aggressive revenue scale up and zero asset stripping. Both strategies could work, with first one getting KQ to profit faster but thereafter slower growth while second plan will aide KQ to profitability sooner and quick sustainable growth thereafter If you don’t grow then no revenue increase at all, not all routes must be profitable. Stop flying and the competitors will seize the opportunity. There are places which KQ should have been flying/ adding frequencies e.g. Capetown, Mauritius but no one initiated till Mikosz did so recently. Ngunze wasn’t the right person for the job. He made so many stupid decisions. KQ is on the knees right now because of him. Even though Mikosz is spending big on himself, the decision to reverse the sub-lease of the B787 is a very bold move. This is one of the stupid decisions made by Ngunze. You cannot sublease a brand new efficient plane, not one but two of them. The arrival of the other B787 and the subsequent deployment to Geneva will further raise revenue for 2019. Very likely for KQ to shave 3 billion off the 7.5 billion loss this year especially if the changes being proposed as reported by @maka are implemented. The issue of expatriates was laid bare during the parliamentary hearing by KAWU and KALPA. The letter by KALPA to Mikosz rebuking him for falsely claiming the pilots take home a big junk of the wages also led to action on the expatriates. I somewhat agree with your inputs, and the same is exactly what I have said on my post. That Ngunze was a bean counter and Mikosz is a revenue generator who also likes to live large, which I have no problems with.. Very different stlyes but honestly I am happier with Mikosz approach. We get JKIA and the tide shifts from Bole to Nairobi.. What else is in Ethiopia besides the beautiful women? Don't we do a lot of this for and because of the beautiful women?  Men above 60 like you are known for that.. Meanwhile all we know for sure is that KQLC are guaranteed a return at KES 8.52 due to GoK guarantee.. KQ is a prime speculative stock for any tough skinned investor at its current price obiero and vvs!  Yesterday the Gok move to write off kq credit did not excite the market.KQtraded 13,000 shares at 4.50 down from the Thursday volume of 57300 shares at 4.51.The market did not buy the idea of Gok borrowing 20 billion to help KQ;but after getting the cash,kept it for itself and decided to write off an old debt! Net effect is that KQ now has lower liabilities.. Hio ingine ni kizungu mingi. Kuna watu wataambia mabibi na mabwana wao kuhusu @Obiero. Something like "there was a guy who said I should buy KQ at KES 4.50 but I wasn't sure, now it's at KES 21 just 12 months later".. The lower liabilities will depend if no new loans will be taken up.Otherwise the story will be the same if they take New facilities. Michael Joseph and Mikorsy have done a good job of operating a positive free cash flow of 6 billion.This they have done with a weight of current liabilities of 129 billion.Thats very smart.Ingekuwa ni Nguze,free cash flow ingekuwa negative! The free cash flow occurred due to collapse of over 47B debt in the 2017 restructuring hence lower debt repayment obligation in 2018. This was a Ngunze signature deal on which he accepted to be retained without pay for last two months to see it through.. Meanwhile about imaginary increased NEW debt, you need to listen to this
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Historical "news". The loans were converted into shares in the restructuring. There is no new write off. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 2,016 Location: Kitale
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obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:nairobby wrote:[quote=maka]
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years. Necessary if govt is truly committed to turning around KQ. I've listened to MJ on trading bell. He really seems committed to the cause. They need to fire whoever isn't sharing part of that vision and start cutting those costs before even thinking of expansion however. That was Mbuvi s plan... @Obiero peed on it... He used to say don't be shy to close a route that's not profitable.... Close it... Open it later.... Anyway... Changes in the offing... Capt Karanja is going to be Head of Ground Services... Msee wa Dago High School nice guy... Very thorough and focuses on processes... Director Ground Services has been scrapped... Head of Catering is also being scrapped... Abdalla is retiring... The company will only have a Manager Catering... Operation Excellence moves to Commercial.. Like I said before Jan and KLM crew are all leaving... Plus also the extra Polish guys... Interesting bit everything now revolves around Silling.... She might be the first lady CEO at KQ if Sebastian doesn't renew his contract.... Ngunze had a solid plan including the restructuring.. His vision was to shrink and then grow which was sensible. Also asset sales were necessary. Mikosz has a distinctly different plan which includes aggressive revenue scale up and zero asset stripping. Both strategies could work, with first one getting KQ to profit faster but thereafter slower growth while second plan will aide KQ to profitability sooner and quick sustainable growth thereafter If you don’t grow then no revenue increase at all, not all routes must be profitable. Stop flying and the competitors will seize the opportunity. There are places which KQ should have been flying/ adding frequencies e.g. Capetown, Mauritius but no one initiated till Mikosz did so recently. Ngunze wasn’t the right person for the job. He made so many stupid decisions. KQ is on the knees right now because of him. Even though Mikosz is spending big on himself, the decision to reverse the sub-lease of the B787 is a very bold move. This is one of the stupid decisions made by Ngunze. You cannot sublease a brand new efficient plane, not one but two of them. The arrival of the other B787 and the subsequent deployment to Geneva will further raise revenue for 2019. Very likely for KQ to shave 3 billion off the 7.5 billion loss this year especially if the changes being proposed as reported by @maka are implemented. The issue of expatriates was laid bare during the parliamentary hearing by KAWU and KALPA. The letter by KALPA to Mikosz rebuking him for falsely claiming the pilots take home a big junk of the wages also led to action on the expatriates. I somewhat agree with your inputs, and the same is exactly what I have said on my post. That Ngunze was a bean counter and Mikosz is a revenue generator who also likes to live large, which I have no problems with.. Very different stlyes but honestly I am happier with Mikosz approach. We get JKIA and the tide shifts from Bole to Nairobi.. What else is in Ethiopia besides the beautiful women? Don't we do a lot of this for and because of the beautiful women? Men above 60 like you are known for that.. Meanwhile all we know for sure is that KQLC are guaranteed a return at KES 8.52 due to GoK guarantee.. KQ is a prime speculative stock for any tough skinned investor at its current price obiero and vvs! Yesterday the Gok move to write off kq credit did not excite the market.KQtraded 13,000 shares at 4.50 down from the Thursday volume of 57300 shares at 4.51.The market did not buy the idea of Gok borrowing 20 billion to help KQ;but after getting the cash,kept it for itself and decided to write off an old debt! Net effect is that KQ now has lower liabilities.. Hio ingine ni kizungu mingi. Kuna watu wataambia mabibi na mabwana wao kuhusu @Obiero. Something like "there was a guy who said I should buy KQ at KES 4.50 but I wasn't sure, now it's at KES 21 just 12 months later".. The lower liabilities will depend if no new loans will be taken up.Otherwise the story will be the same if they take New facilities. Michael Joseph and Mikorsy have done a good job of operating a positive free cash flow of 6 billion.This they have done with a weight of current liabilities of 129 billion.Thats very smart.Ingekuwa ni Nguze,free cash flow ingekuwa negative! The free cash flow occurred due to collapse of over 47B debt in the 2017 restructuring hence lower debt repayment obligation in 2018. This was a Ngunze signature deal on which he accepted to be retained without pay for last two months to see it through.. Meanwhile about imaginary increased NEW debt, you need to listen to this Let's wait for the HY 19 results and see the impact of this Gok manenos.We know they wrote off the old debt.What we don't know is if the new 20 billion they acquired to help KQ will be reflected in KQ books or it will remain in national treasury bks. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Historical "news". The loans were converted into shares in the restructuring. There is no new write off. The restructuring was in 2017, while the article states clearly about a debt that remained outstanding as at June 2018.. Reading with spiked eyes is dangerous
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Historical "news". The loans were converted into shares in the restructuring. There is no new write off. The restructuring was in 2017, while the article states clearly about a debt that remained outstanding as at June 2018.. Reading with spiked eyes is dangerous You think Treasury will wake up and write-off loans on-lent or guaranteed to a private company? You are dreaming my friend. Learn to read news from our beloved media with a pinch of salt. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Historical "news". The loans were converted into shares in the restructuring. There is no new write off. The restructuring was in 2017, while the article states clearly about a debt that remained outstanding as at June 2018.. Reading with spiked eyes is dangerous You think Treasury will wake up and write-off loans on-lent or guaranteed to a private company? You are dreaming my friend. Learn to read news from our beloved media with a pinch of salt. Have you read the national assembly hansard dated 30.04.2019? The write off related to various state agencies and not KQ alone. Further, GoK holding in KQ stands at 48% and it remains the most significant creditor to KQ considering that it has guaranteed the KQLC OMC.. It has and will continue assisting state firms..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Historical "news". The loans were converted into shares in the restructuring. There is no new write off. The restructuring was in 2017, while the article states clearly about a debt that remained outstanding as at June 2018.. Reading with spiked eyes is dangerous You think Treasury will wake up and write-off loans on-lent or guaranteed to a private company? You are dreaming my friend. Learn to read news from our beloved media with a pinch of salt. Have you read the national assembly hansard dated 30.04.2019? The write off related to various state agencies and not KQ alone. Further, GoK holding in KQ stands at 48% and it remains the most significant creditor to KQ considering that it has guaranteed the KQLC OMC.. It has and will continue assisting state firms.. Here is the link to the Hansard for that date. http://www.parliament.go...April%202019%28P%29.pdf
Several papers related to the 2019/2020 Budget were presented by Leader of Majority. Show us the discussion on debt write off. Life is short. Live passionately.
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:nairobby wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Necessary if govt is truly committed to turning around KQ. I've listened to MJ on trading bell. He really seems committed to the cause. They need to fire whoever isn't sharing part of that vision and start cutting those costs before even thinking of expansion however. That was Mbuvi s plan... @Obiero peed on it... He used to say don't be shy to close a route that's not profitable.... Close it... Open it later.... Anyway... Changes in the offing... Capt Karanja is going to be Head of Ground Services... Msee wa Dago High School nice guy... Very thorough and focuses on processes... Director Ground Services has been scrapped... Head of Catering is also being scrapped... Abdalla is retiring... The company will only have a Manager Catering... Operation Excellence moves to Commercial.. Like I said before Jan and KLM crew are all leaving... Plus also the extra Polish guys... Interesting bit everything now revolves around Silling.... She might be the first lady CEO at KQ if Sebastian doesn't renew his contract.... Ngunze had a solid plan including the restructuring.. His vision was to shrink and then grow which was sensible. Also asset sales were necessary. Mikosz has a distinctly different plan which includes aggressive revenue scale up and zero asset stripping. Both strategies could work, with first one getting KQ to profit faster but thereafter slower growth while second plan will aide KQ to profitability sooner and quick sustainable growth thereafter If you don’t grow then no revenue increase at all, not all routes must be profitable. Stop flying and the competitors will seize the opportunity. There are places which KQ should have been flying/ adding frequencies e.g. Capetown, Mauritius but no one initiated till Mikosz did so recently. Ngunze wasn’t the right person for the job. He made so many stupid decisions. KQ is on the knees right now because of him. Even though Mikosz is spending big on himself, the decision to reverse the sub-lease of the B787 is a very bold move. This is one of the stupid decisions made by Ngunze. You cannot sublease a brand new efficient plane, not one but two of them. The arrival of the other B787 and the subsequent deployment to Geneva will further raise revenue for 2019. Very likely for KQ to shave 3 billion off the 7.5 billion loss this year especially if the changes being proposed as reported by @maka are implemented. The issue of expatriates was laid bare during the parliamentary hearing by KAWU and KALPA. The letter by KALPA to Mikosz rebuking him for falsely claiming the pilots take home a big junk of the wages also led to action on the expatriates. He did not "reverse" the sub leases. They just came to an end
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Historical "news". The loans were converted into shares in the restructuring. There is no new write off. The restructuring was in 2017, while the article states clearly about a debt that remained outstanding as at June 2018.. Reading with spiked eyes is dangerous You think Treasury will wake up and write-off loans on-lent or guaranteed to a private company? You are dreaming my friend. Learn to read news from our beloved media with a pinch of salt. Have you read the national assembly hansard dated 30.04.2019? The write off related to various state agencies and not KQ alone. Further, GoK holding in KQ stands at 48% and it remains the most significant creditor to KQ considering that it has guaranteed the KQLC OMC.. It has and will continue assisting state firms.. Here is the link to the Hansard for that date. http://www.parliament.go...April%202019%28P%29.pdf
Several papers related to the 2019/2020 Budget were presented by Leader of Majority. Show us the discussion on debt write off. Stop stressing the jamaa for facts. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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nairobby wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:nairobby wrote:maka wrote:
The government has written off a Sh24.2 billion loan advanced to struggling Kenya Airways in the latest move to keep the national flag carrier in the skies.
In budget documents presented in Parliament this week, the Treasury revealed that the loan was part of Sh27.2 billion worth of dormant loans that the Cabinet authorised to be written off.
Kenya Airways, which made another loss of Sh7.5 billion last year, had not made any attempt to repay the loan and it remained outstanding as at June 30, 2018. This made it the biggest recipient of write offs.
The government, which is the biggest shareholder in the airline, has been pumping money into KQ in an attempt to resuscitate it and pull it out of the red. But the airline has remained in the loss making territory for the last five years.
Necessary if govt is truly committed to turning around KQ. I've listened to MJ on trading bell. He really seems committed to the cause. They need to fire whoever isn't sharing part of that vision and start cutting those costs before even thinking of expansion however. That was Mbuvi s plan... @Obiero peed on it... He used to say don't be shy to close a route that's not profitable.... Close it... Open it later.... Anyway... Changes in the offing... Capt Karanja is going to be Head of Ground Services... Msee wa Dago High School nice guy... Very thorough and focuses on processes... Director Ground Services has been scrapped... Head of Catering is also being scrapped... Abdalla is retiring... The company will only have a Manager Catering... Operation Excellence moves to Commercial.. Like I said before Jan and KLM crew are all leaving... Plus also the extra Polish guys... Interesting bit everything now revolves around Silling.... She might be the first lady CEO at KQ if Sebastian doesn't renew his contract.... Ngunze had a solid plan including the restructuring.. His vision was to shrink and then grow which was sensible. Also asset sales were necessary. Mikosz has a distinctly different plan which includes aggressive revenue scale up and zero asset stripping. Both strategies could work, with first one getting KQ to profit faster but thereafter slower growth while second plan will aide KQ to profitability sooner and quick sustainable growth thereafter If you don’t grow then no revenue increase at all, not all routes must be profitable. Stop flying and the competitors will seize the opportunity. There are places which KQ should have been flying/ adding frequencies e.g. Capetown, Mauritius but no one initiated till Mikosz did so recently. Ngunze wasn’t the right person for the job. He made so many stupid decisions. KQ is on the knees right now because of him. Even though Mikosz is spending big on himself, the decision to reverse the sub-lease of the B787 is a very bold move. This is one of the stupid decisions made by Ngunze. You cannot sublease a brand new efficient plane, not one but two of them. The arrival of the other B787 and the subsequent deployment to Geneva will further raise revenue for 2019. Very likely for KQ to shave 3 billion off the 7.5 billion loss this year especially if the changes being proposed as reported by @maka are implemented. The issue of expatriates was laid bare during the parliamentary hearing by KAWU and KALPA. The letter by KALPA to Mikosz rebuking him for falsely claiming the pilots take home a big junk of the wages also led to action on the expatriates. He did not "reverse" the sub leases. They just came to an end True. At least the Oman Air one is a known fact
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