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And in Deutschland, Barges are still transporting sand on the Rhine at minimal cost
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Ericsson wrote:Impunity wrote:wukan wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:
For Kenya, the "upgraded MGR" as touted by Ndii and WaNgugi would have worked almost as well, at a fraction of the cost, until its usage of capacity was 80%. UG has MGR or right of way so the MGR could have been done on their side too.
The railway across DRC is still a pipe dream for now. Once they settle their differences, the railway can probably be built in 4-5 years from west to east.
SGR was the better option compared to the upgraded MGR. Ndii is the same guy who framed 2009 economic stimulus package building fish/frog ponds and markets that took 10 years to build. He has some obsolete ideas. Who will be building locomotives for the upgraded MGR in future? MGR coaches and engines are getting obsolete and being discarded all over the world. Heck we are getting discarded ex-spanish DMUs for Nairobi rail. In 10 years our economy will be able to take in some more debt to push SGR westwards. SA makes some cheap MGR engines and wagons,and so is Brazil. There is no much significant difference in sizes between the two in terms of engines n wagons...they just have to change the wheel base sizes.only that. In America and Australia cargo is still being carried on MGR Where in America?   "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,654
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Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri?
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hardwood wrote:wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri? I think the point the writer wanted to make is that Jubilee has failed to build on the work done/initiatives by previous govts and prioritize projects. For instance we had vision 2030 which was very noble idea. Mzee Kibaki, in his wisdom, knew that future presidents/govts may not be as well endowed in planning. So he facilitated creation of a strategy that would be acceptable across the board. Following extensive consultations, Vision 2030 was birthed, in the hope that successive govts will no longer be pursuing ad hoc programs but would be guided by a well thought strategic plan. Today, how many people were consulted in formulating Big 4 and does it fit within vision 2030? Sometimes you feel like our leaders who also served in the mwai kibaki govt never learned much from the old man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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limanika wrote:hardwood wrote:wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri? I think the point the writer wanted to make is that Jubilee has failed to build on the work done/initiatives by previous govts and prioritize projects. For instance we had vision 2030 which was very noble idea. Mzee Kibaki, in his wisdom, knew that future presidents/govts may not be as well endowed in planning. So he facilitated creation of a strategy that would be acceptable across the board. Following extensive consultations, Vision 2030 was birthed, in the hope that successive govts will no longer be pursuing ad hoc programs but would be guided by a well thought strategic plan. Today, how many people were consulted in formulating Big 4 and does it fit within vision 2030? Sometimes you feel like our leaders who also served in the mwai kibaki govt never learned much from the old man If you've read the Vision 2030 manuscript you'll realize the Big4 is part of it, SGR is part of it
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ManufacturingAgricultureHealthThere are other govt initiatives that Uhuru is not mainly focusing on (infrastructure being one of them the SGR is covered here) "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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murchr wrote:limanika wrote:hardwood wrote:wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri? I think the point the writer wanted to make is that Jubilee has failed to build on the work done/initiatives by previous govts and prioritize projects. For instance we had vision 2030 which was very noble idea. Mzee Kibaki, in his wisdom, knew that future presidents/govts may not be as well endowed in planning. So he facilitated creation of a strategy that would be acceptable across the board. Following extensive consultations, Vision 2030 was birthed, in the hope that successive govts will no longer be pursuing ad hoc programs but would be guided by a well thought strategic plan. Today, how many people were consulted in formulating Big 4 and does it fit within vision 2030? Sometimes you feel like our leaders who also served in the mwai kibaki govt never learned much from the old man If you've read the Vision 2030 manuscript you'll realize the Big4 is part of it, SGR is part of it
Housing
ManufacturingAgricultureHealthThere are other govt initiatives that Uhuru is not mainly focusing on (infrastructure being one of them the SGR is covered here)  I know the manuscript exists on some shelf and has gathered quite some dust, if I have to go read it to check if some project is part of the vision then there's a big problem. Please also tell us we don't need a secretariat to monitor implementation of the vision, or the presidency is the secretariat? You're on record in other threads arguing that AHP is poorly thought and shouldn't be implemented, if part of the vision is it good or bad implementation. What jubilee is implementing is their party manifesto prepared by advertising executives not vision 2030. Unless you can also tell us laptop, 47 stadia, implementing projects without feasibility study is part of the 2030 vision then we can start discussing from that level.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,654
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hardwood wrote:wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri? You just had to make a waititu-like comment. Isorite
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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wukan wrote:hardwood wrote:wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri? You just had to make a waititu-like comment. Isorite Quote:Incredibly, we are building massive highways and bypasses to Unep no doubt encouraging the use of more harmful fuel guzzlers by the very folks telling us to protect our environment.
We could have endeared ourselves to the world by prioritising an electric train to connect JKIA to Gigiri through the city centre.
Also why do all these UNEP environmentalists drive 4x4 fuel guzzlers? They should all be driving Toyota Prius or other hybrid and electric vehicles as an example of what it means to care for the environment. Infact they should be cycling from their homes in runda to offices in gigiri. They don't need 4x4s to go shopping at village market. They should lead by example on matters "green".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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limanika wrote:murchr wrote:limanika wrote:hardwood wrote:wukan wrote:Quote:Nearly seven years have gone by since those promises were made. There has been some attempt to improve road access to Gigiri but on a balance of things, keeping those promises made in Brazil seem a matter of low priority to our decision makers. Since South Africans, Germans, Chinese and everyone interested in Unep are watching, it would seem investing in ancillary facilities and accessibility for Unep should have been more urgent than say, taking the SGR from Syokimau to the floor of the Rift Valley in Naivasha. This is both a reminder and a warning. https://www.nation.co.ke.../440808-5096208-c5bskx/
Very nice article by Kennedy Chesoli on where our priorities should have been instead of pushing SGR to the Rift valley. Hopeless article. So how many diplomats would use the rail from syokimau to gigiri? I think the point the writer wanted to make is that Jubilee has failed to build on the work done/initiatives by previous govts and prioritize projects. For instance we had vision 2030 which was very noble idea. Mzee Kibaki, in his wisdom, knew that future presidents/govts may not be as well endowed in planning. So he facilitated creation of a strategy that would be acceptable across the board. Following extensive consultations, Vision 2030 was birthed, in the hope that successive govts will no longer be pursuing ad hoc programs but would be guided by a well thought strategic plan. Today, how many people were consulted in formulating Big 4 and does it fit within vision 2030? Sometimes you feel like our leaders who also served in the mwai kibaki govt never learned much from the old man If you've read the Vision 2030 manuscript you'll realize the Big4 is part of it, SGR is part of it
Housing
ManufacturingAgricultureHealthThere are other govt initiatives that Uhuru is not mainly focusing on (infrastructure being one of them the SGR is covered here) I know the manuscript exists on some shelf and has gathered quite some dust, if I have to go read it to check if some project is part of the vision then there's a big problem. Please also tell us we don't need a secretariat to monitor implementation of the vision, or the presidency is the secretariat? You're on record in other threads arguing that AHP is poorly thought and shouldn't be implemented, if part of the vision is it good or bad implementation. What jubilee is implementing is their party manifesto prepared by advertising executives not vision 2030. Unless you can also tell us laptop, 47 stadia, implementing projects without feasibility study is part of the 2030 vision then we can start discussing from that level. Am in record in saying that govt should not be involved in building your house but they should facilitate the business community and saccos to doing it. Its possible. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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