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New deduction to fund govt housing plan
Thitifini
#31 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 2:29:07 AM
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Thitifini wrote:
wukan wrote:
Shak wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Maswali hapa

Those earning 150K and avove not part of beneficiaries
https://bomayangu.go.ke/Faq

So they'll have to contribute yet will not benefit?


They benefit from the interest credited into their accounts


If monthly repayments are 6,500 per month for 1.4m 25yr-mortgage, interest per year would be circa 1.5% pa🤔🤔


Figures not adding up here. Sometimes back a PS alluded to 2.4Trn having been pledged to this agenda.

Anyone with a link to the policy?

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Kusadikika
#32 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 7:11:17 AM
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Laws of economics are like law of gravity. You cannot skip people with money. You cannot make something affordable to people who have no money while denying it to people with money. Hiyo laini ishapangwa tayari so if you are going to allocate anything start with allocating it at the top.

If by some miracle they build those houses the real price will rise to market price in a fraction of a second. You think a guy with income of 10,000 a month will live in a house where he pays 6,500 a month. He will quickly rent it or sell it to the guy who earns 100k a month who will gladly offer 20k a month. Then the first guy will move back to Kibera a happy man.

In my opinion the easiest way to do affordable housing is to build no houses at all. Build infrastructure: Roads, sewer, water, power in new places and offer buroti for cheap maguta maguta. Put the current buyers and dividers of land out of business by flooding supply. GOK can do this better because they have more land and can put up better infrastructure. Put restrictions on transfers so that someone cannot sell within 5 years and cannot sell an empty plot but only development on it. Plots can also only be sold to individuals with proven tax returns and only one per person. Then let people develop their place as they wish.
Gathige
#33 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 10:31:36 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Laws of economics are like law of gravity. You cannot skip people with money. You cannot make something affordable to people who have no money while denying it to people with money. Hiyo laini ishapangwa tayari so if you are going to allocate anything start with allocating it at the top.

If by some miracle they build those houses the real price will rise to market price in a fraction of a second. You think a guy with income of 10,000 a month will live in a house where he pays 6,500 a month. He will quickly rent it or sell it to the guy who earns 100k a month who will gladly offer 20k a month. Then the first guy will move back to Kibera a happy man.

In my opinion the easiest way to do affordable housing is to build no houses at all. Build infrastructure: Roads, sewer, water, power in new places and offer buroti for cheap maguta maguta. Put the current buyers and dividers of land out of business by flooding supply. GOK can do this better because they have more land and can put up better infrastructure. Put restrictions on transfers so that someone cannot sell within 5 years and cannot sell an empty plot but only development on it. Plots can also only be sold to individuals with proven tax returns and only one per person. Then let people develop their place as they wish.


@kusadikika, You have spoken well until this point. Any restrictions in a free market distorts the market, increases rent seeking and defeats the purpose. The ability to transfer assets is what makes the market efficient and ensures the best price allocations among st assets. Once the infrastructure is in place and allocations done, whether of house or plots, the new owners can then be free to engage the markets.
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wukan
#34 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 11:24:14 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Laws of economics are like law of gravity. You cannot skip people with money. You cannot make something affordable to people who have no money while denying it to people with money. Hiyo laini ishapangwa tayari so if you are going to allocate anything start with allocating it at the top.

If by some miracle they build those houses the real price will rise to market price in a fraction of a second. You think a guy with income of 10,000 a month will live in a house where he pays 6,500 a month. He will quickly rent it or sell it to the guy who earns 100k a month who will gladly offer 20k a month. Then the first guy will move back to Kibera a happy man.

In my opinion the easiest way to do affordable housing is to build no houses at all. Build infrastructure: Roads, sewer, water, power in new places and offer buroti for cheap maguta maguta. Put the current buyers and dividers of land out of business by flooding supply. GOK can do this better because they have more land and can put up better infrastructure. Put restrictions on transfers so that someone cannot sell within 5 years and cannot sell an empty plot but only development on it. Plots can also only be sold to individuals with proven tax returns and only one per person. Then let people develop their place as they wish.


Yes the kibera man will now be a landlord and has a real stake in the economy to protect. His income will now be 30K and he will enjoy a higher standard of living and have an asset to pass to his kids. It's a no brainer really

GoK is building well planned settlements those site and service burotis were tried in Umoja and Dandora-urban planning disaster.
wukan
#35 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 11:27:06 AM
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Thitifini wrote:
wukan wrote:
Shak wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Maswali hapa

Those earning 150K and avove not part of beneficiaries
https://bomayangu.go.ke/Faq

So they'll have to contribute yet will not benefit?


They benefit from the interest credited into their accounts


If monthly repayments are 6,500 per month for 1.4m 25yr-mortgage, interest per year would be circa 1.5% pa🤔🤔


PS Hinga posts on twitter those above 150K will get single digit interest rate mortgages for 25 yrs
Angelica _ann
#36 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 12:06:27 PM
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GoK should give HFCK and NHC part contract to build and sell these houses at a commission.
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Lolest!
#37 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 12:19:29 PM
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Gathige wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Laws of economics are like law of gravity. You cannot skip people with money. You cannot make something affordable to people who have no money while denying it to people with money. Hiyo laini ishapangwa tayari so if you are going to allocate anything start with allocating it at the top.

If by some miracle they build those houses the real price will rise to market price in a fraction of a second. You think a guy with income of 10,000 a month will live in a house where he pays 6,500 a month. He will quickly rent it or sell it to the guy who earns 100k a month who will gladly offer 20k a month. Then the first guy will move back to Kibera a happy man.

In my opinion the easiest way to do affordable housing is to build no houses at all. Build infrastructure: Roads, sewer, water, power in new places and offer buroti for cheap maguta maguta. Put the current buyers and dividers of land out of business by flooding supply. GOK can do this better because they have more land and can put up better infrastructure. Put restrictions on transfers so that someone cannot sell within 5 years and cannot sell an empty plot but only development on it. Plots can also only be sold to individuals with proven tax returns and only one per person. Then let people develop their place as they wish.


@kusadikika, You have spoken well until this point. Any restrictions in a free market distorts the market, increases rent seeking and defeats the purpose. The ability to transfer assets is what makes the market efficient and ensures the best price allocations among st assets. Once the infrastructure is in place and allocations done, whether of house or plots, the new owners can then be free to engage the markets.

There's an 8 year sale restriction. Check the nyumbayangu link posted earlier
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Kusadikika
#38 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 2:32:35 PM
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Gathige wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Laws of economics are like law of gravity. You cannot skip people with money. You cannot make something affordable to people who have no money while denying it to people with money. Hiyo laini ishapangwa tayari so if you are going to allocate anything start with allocating it at the top.

If by some miracle they build those houses the real price will rise to market price in a fraction of a second. You think a guy with income of 10,000 a month will live in a house where he pays 6,500 a month. He will quickly rent it or sell it to the guy who earns 100k a month who will gladly offer 20k a month. Then the first guy will move back to Kibera a happy man.

In my opinion the easiest way to do affordable housing is to build no houses at all. Build infrastructure: Roads, sewer, water, power in new places and offer buroti for cheap maguta maguta. Put the current buyers and dividers of land out of business by flooding supply. GOK can do this better because they have more land and can put up better infrastructure. Put restrictions on transfers so that someone cannot sell within 5 years and cannot sell an empty plot but only development on it. Plots can also only be sold to individuals with proven tax returns and only one per person. Then let people develop their place as they wish.


@kusadikika, You have spoken well until this point. Any restrictions in a free market distorts the market, increases rent seeking and defeats the purpose. The ability to transfer assets is what makes the market efficient and ensures the best price allocations among st assets. Once the infrastructure is in place and allocations done, whether of house or plots, the new owners can then be free to engage the markets.


@Gathige, even the most free market enthusiasts always put a little caveat when it comes to land because of the fact that it is finite and is very easy to hoard. The idea is to house many people as owners so I think restricting the buyers to individuals is best. This is because, if you allow corporate ownership, 10 people from Muranga will form a company and buy the whole place and just sit on it without development then sell moja moja bila haraka. 10 years later the place is half developed and the rest of the plots unaffordable.

The incentives may vary depending on what works but the idea you want to encourage is to create home ownership rather than trade in land.
murchr
#39 Posted : Saturday, April 13, 2019 4:48:43 PM
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My thinking is that they are trying to copy the Singapore model. I've been planning to read more about it but sijapata wakati bado. I do not understand UK's model either.
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Lolest!
#40 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:38:44 AM
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Deduction starts with this month's payroll. Monies deducted plus employer contribution to be paid by May 9th & 9th of every other month.

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