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tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:tycho wrote:A language is a worldview. If you were born in a certain language and then discarded the language then you've cut off a huge chunk of your sensibility.
Tribal clashes as depicted on this thread are because of European meddling and African political choices in response to the meddling. Wewe you’ve still never gone to see a shrink until today? I'm waiting for the day I notice your IQ has improved from 35 to at least 50. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hamburglar wrote:
So why don’t the Canadians or French slaughter each other? They only speak one language.
Boils down to values. Our values are bad. Their values are good. I thought Canada has 2 languages: French & English with French Canadians & English Canadians being distinct(heard songbird Celine Dion only started speaking English in her adult life, after starting her career.)
Somali clans are essentially their tribes. Clans are even worse than tribes because they are more primitive. You don’t see these tribal clashes nonsense in Sweden or Denmark. Why?
Good point. It goes to show what I've been explaining. One language for people who KNOW they're not one won't solve negative ethnicity.
I have never spoken my mother tongue, mostly because I can’t speak it even though I understand it. I basically only speak English and Swahili. How has not knowing my mother tongue affected me? Am happy and content with my life minus the mother tongue. How would being able to speak Kikuyu have benefitted my life?
Valid point. You may not need your mother tongue if you will not vie for a political seat(MCA,MP, Governor), if you will not do biz that requires your language-ever met those born tao chics doing biz in tao? They had to learn Kikuyu.
But how do you benefit by not knowing?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2006 Posts: 658
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hamburglar wrote:Julie wrote:Am personally very proud of my tribe and will do all i can to make sure my children learn to speak and appreciate their tradition.
As a parent, am instilling virtues that will integrate my children with society no matter the tribe or economic status. Am playing my part as a parent.
@Hamburglar
Am so sorry for you. You have no sence of belonging!
Will pray for you all the same and any other like minded individuals on this forum.
Don’t need your prayers and you don’t need to feel sorry for me for not knowing how to speak Kikuyu. Why would you feel sorry for me? What the hell? It’s not like I don’t have arms and legs for you to feel sorry for me. Jesus, not knowing my mother tongue is now a handicap that needs prayers? The level of stupidity for some religious Kenyans is amazing. What exactly would you be praying for me for? I don’t get it. Does it mean that you can’t instill moral virtues into children who don’t speak your mother tongue? Wonders never cease. Those children that you are teaching your mother tongue might very well turn out to be the wazees like the ones I met that are disgustingly tribal. Am glad my parents never taught me Kikuyu, the little I know I learnt here and there. Maybe that’s why I am very uncomfortable around people who speak Kikuyu or Luo or whatever language in the presence of people from other tribes. How isn’t that not ignorant? People who’ve approached me with that Kikuyu shit know better next time they meet me. I don’t mince my words, I tell them to cut that shit out and sure enough, when we meet again, they always remember to speak in Swahili or English, a language that everybody around us understands. No need to be bitter with your tribes men! Its not your fault that you cant speak it fluently or not at all. Blame your parents or yourself for not learning it. Don't hide behind the veil that it is ''tribal'' for one to speak their mother tongue. And by the way...I hate it too when anyone speaks a language that is not common for those in a group..I really HATE IT!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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@hamburglar has already identified himself by his tribe. And because he can't speak the language, he calls that primitive. People have no problems with their tribes and languages, unless it's because of negative ethnicity. We are proud of our diversity of cultures and traditions. You speak your Swahili and English, we will speak ours without feeling like bigots. Even the constitution acknowledges in the preamble that we are proud of that diversity even as one nation. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Jus Blazin wrote:@hamburglar has already identified himself by his tribe. And because he can't speak the language, he calls that primitive. People have no problems with their tribes and languages, unless it's because of negative ethnicity. We are proud of our diversity of cultures and traditions. You speak your Swahili and English, we will speak ours without feeling like bigots. Even the constitution acknowledges in the preamble that we are proud of that diversity even as one nation. So since it’s in the constitution that means it’s right? And by the way, I can speak Kikuyu if I really wanted to but I don’t see the need to because it adds no value to my life. Absolutely none. Yeah. People have no problems with their languages and tribes until they start slaughtering each other when election time rolls around.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hamburglar wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:@hamburglar has already identified himself by his tribe. And because he can't speak the language, he calls that primitive. People have no problems with their tribes and languages, unless it's because of negative ethnicity. We are proud of our diversity of cultures and traditions. You speak your Swahili and English, we will speak ours without feeling like bigots. Even the constitution acknowledges in the preamble that we are proud of that diversity even as one nation. So since it’s in the constitution that means it’s right? And by the way, I can speak Kikuyu if I really wanted to but I don’t see the need to because it adds no value to my life. Absolutely none. Yeah. People have no problems with their languages and tribes until they start slaughtering each other when election time rolls around. There's no difference between Kikuyu Chinese English French, they are all means of communicating at the very least. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups. Here is a vital example: what's the etymology of 'Thingira'? A Mugikuyu philosopher said that you'll become liberated when you remember the meaning of the word.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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hamburglar wrote:My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups. @Hambuglar, huna dini, huna kabila, what social group do you belong to? You say you are Kenyan, why Kenyan? Why not East African or African or Nairobian, or Buruburuian, or Mangerian, Starehehian, Changerian, Patcherian etc Why do you feel it is OK for you to be Kenyan and wrong for someone else to be Maasai?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Kusadikika wrote:hamburglar wrote:My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups. @Hambuglar, huna dini, huna kabila, what social group do you belong to? You say you are Kenyan, why Kenyan? Why not East African or African or Nairobian, or Buruburuian, or Mangerian, Starehehian, Changerian, Patcherian etc Why do you feel it is OK for you to be Kenyan and wrong for someone else to be Maasai? Because Kenyans won’t fight with Ugandans in 2022, but I bet you Some tribe will slaughter another tribe when that time comes around. It might be Kikuyu versus Kalenjin, Kalenjin versus Luo, Kikuyu versus Luo, take your pick, even your Maasai might want a little part of the action if they feel like hawawezi lisha ngombe zao nyasi in Nairobi anymore because Kikuyus have nyakuad their “land”. I will bet you my arm that these stupid tribes you guys are so proud of will go back to primitive factory settings and pull out the matchetes in 2022. Useless people. That’s why I don’t want any association with a tribe or tribes that I know is only good for negativity. Understand why I only identify myself as Kenyan? Honestly, I don’t bother myself with things that don’t add any value to my life. Madini, makabila and other useless things like that never ever play any role in my life whatsoever.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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To be a Mugikuyu is different from an ability to speak Gigikuyu. A Munjaluo banker friend has been posted here. The link will go a long way in helping him assist his clientele and in blending in. That was what the thread initiator had in mind, I gather. The rest is what The Professor of Kenian politics used to call siasa yards pesa nane.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Lolest! wrote:hamburglar wrote:
So why don’t the Canadians or French slaughter each other? They only speak one language.
Boils down to values. Our values are bad. Their values are good. I thought Canada has 2 languages: French & English with French Canadians & English Canadians being distinct(heard songbird Celine Dion only started speaking English in her adult life, after starting her career.)
Somali clans are essentially their tribes. Clans are even worse than tribes because they are more primitive. You don’t see these tribal clashes nonsense in Sweden or Denmark. Why?
Good point. It goes to show what I've been explaining. One language for people who KNOW they're not one won't solve negative ethnicity.
I have never spoken my mother tongue, mostly because I can’t speak it even though I understand it. I basically only speak English and Swahili. How has not knowing my mother tongue affected me? Am happy and content with my life minus the mother tongue. How would being able to speak Kikuyu have benefitted my life?
Valid point. You may not need your mother tongue if you will not vie for a political seat(MCA,MP, Governor), if you will not do biz that requires your language-ever met those born tao chics doing biz in tao? They had to learn Kikuyu.
But how do you benefit by not knowing?
Hambuglar you need to get in touch with history. Europeans were slaughtering each other according to their tribes (french vs English, Scottish vs English, German vs every other European) etc up until America established itself as a super power. Even the WW2 was about the Japs vs European/America or these you dont see these as tribal wars? These same Europeans are killing aboriginals for what? Do your homework to stop sounding foolish Resources change everything, even traditionally the Kikuyu did not fight the Kamba or Meru because there was trade among themselves. The Masai was the enemy because he stole their cows. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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aemathenge wrote:To be a Mugikuyu is different from an ability to speak Gigikuyu.
A Munjaluo banker friend has been posted here.
The link will go a long way in helping him assist his clientele and in blending in.
That was what the thread initiator had in mind, I gather.
The rest is what The Professor of Kenian politics used to call siasa yards pesa nane. Now we are talking!....i want @Hamburglar to visit the channel and learn a few words, he might fall in love with the language after all.
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Blackie wrote:aemathenge wrote:To be a Mugikuyu is different from an ability to speak Gigikuyu.
A Munjaluo banker friend has been posted here.
The link will go a long way in helping him assist his clientele and in blending in.
That was what the thread initiator had in mind, I gather.
The rest is what The Professor of Kenian politics used to call siasa yards pesa nane. Now we are talking!....i want @Hamburglar to visit the channel and learn a few words, he might fall in love with the language after all. 
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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aemathenge wrote:To be a Mugikuyu is different from an ability to speak Gigikuyu.
A Munjaluo banker friend has been posted here.
The link will go a long way in helping him assist his clientele and in blending in.
That was what the thread initiator had in mind, I gather.
The rest is what The Professor of Kenian politics used to call siasa yards pesa nane. Why should he have to learn a whole different language just to be able to do a job in Kenya. Were it not for stupid tribes the guy wouldn’t have to go through all that hustle, he would just need Swahili to be able to work in any part of the country. What if the Luo guy is transferred to Kitui in a few months after mastering Kikuyu, back to the drawing board to learn Kao? After he learns Kao he then finds out that oh by the way, a position has just opened up in Elgeyo Marakwet. Here comes the Kalenjin tutorials. Lol. Until when? That’s the reason people stick to their own ancestral lands even when it comes to job opportunities because nobody has the time to learn other languages. At the banks in my shags, it’s Kikuyu galore, can’t find an employee of a different tribe there. These languages are an unnecessary burden, they make us very myopic. A Luo might find a job in Sagana that very well suits his skills but decide to bypass it because he can’t obviuosly be comfortable working in an office where the official language is Kikuyu. How unfortunate. Let’s just stick to Swahili and forget about all this other crap. Kiswahili kitukuzwe and we will have a very cohesive nation.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Blackie wrote:aemathenge wrote:To be a Mugikuyu is different from an ability to speak Gigikuyu.
A Munjaluo banker friend has been posted here.
The link will go a long way in helping him assist his clientele and in blending in.
That was what the thread initiator had in mind, I gather.
The rest is what The Professor of Kenian politics used to call siasa yards pesa nane. Now we are talking!....i want @Hamburglar to visit the channel and learn a few words, he might fall in love with the language after all. I would rather watch paint dry. Instead of wasting my time learning a language that has ZERO benefit to me or anybody around me, wouldn’t it be better to use that time to maybe help my nephew with his math homework? Or just volunteer my time at a homeless shelter somewhere? I mean, how exactly is me learning Kikuyu going to benefit anybody in this world, myself included?
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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Haiya Hamburglar ... Do you need a hug?
No one is forcing you to learn Kikuyu or any other language. Kama hutaki it's your choice. Let the ones who want to learn follow the link.
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hamburglar wrote:Blackie wrote:[quote=aemathenge]To be a Mugikuyu is different from an ability to speak Gigikuyu.
A Munjaluo banker friend has been posted here.
The link will go a long way in helping him assist his clientele and in blending in.
That was what the thread initiator had in mind, I gather.
The rest is what The Professor of Kenian politics used to call siasa yards pesa nane. Now we are talking!....i want @Hamburglar to visit the channel and learn a few words, he might fall in love with the language after all. [/quote I would rather watch paint dry. Instead of wasting my time learning a language that has ZERO benefit to me or anybody around me, wouldn’t it be better to use that time to maybe help my nephew with his math homework? Or just volunteer my time at a homeless shelter somewhere? I mean, how exactly is me learning Kikuyu going to benefit anybody in this world, myself included? You are obviously entitled to your opinion, there are many out there who would find such a channel useful, I included. I will dash there now for a few new words while i wish you all the best in your watching paint dry escapeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Sansa wrote:Haiya Hamburglar ... Do you need a hug?
No one is forcing you to learn Kikuyu or any other language. Kama hutaki it's your choice. Let the ones who want to learn follow the link. Wewe unaelewa even what the discussion is all about? Nobody has denied anybody to learn whatever language they want, heck, people can learn all of them for all I care, what am debating is if these languages serve any purpose to us as Kenyans. What is their benefit to society? Do they add any value? Comprehend the discussion first before you start giving out unsolicited hugs. Lol.
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