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Why is Karl Marx being hammered?
tycho
#1 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2019 2:09:21 PM
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It's an old story now, and when I first got the news I didn't give much thought to it, needless to say that 'Communist manifesto' was among my early 'set books'. And that, my philosophy is of a communalist bent. So why was I so aloof?

Anyway, today I can see that he was probably correct in stating that the political economy is the base of humanity, and that the best form of settlement is a communalist/communist system where humanity isn't differentiated by a class system. Therefore the dissolution of the State.

But then here comes an argument https://amp.theguardian....dalised-for-second-time



tycho
#2 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2019 2:38:11 PM
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In my estimation I think the Vandal(s) based their action(s) on how history appears to have unfolded in the name of Marx. I must admit that so many have been killed in his name, and to say that he was in no way culpable is to submit to a lie.

But then, it has appeared that Communist Marxism has been a spent force, at least in the brands of the Bolsheviki and the revolutionary forces that have appeared. In our time for example, Slavoj Zizek may not be a name familiar to many.

He has been long dead, and his tomb has stood there silently all this time. Then the vandal(s) strike. What meaning can we then derive from this action? What could be the most probable identities of the vandals(s)?

Remember the context of this event again, the capitalist class still dominates, the middle class licks the feet of the masters, and the proletariat bears all the psycho-physical and economic burden.


tycho
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:46:43 AM
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So it happens that though few may realize it, Marx is a dominant force in wazua especially when it comes to religion. 'It's for the poor!' 'Abolish it!'

But who really wants to do the heavy task of critiquing Marx just as Marx critiqued his predecessors?

Could it be that 'his doctrine' may be deemed as one of hate because his best students were opportunists and the worst are regurgitators?

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masukuma
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2019 3:32:27 PM
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Because his policies in their rawest form have been failures
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tycho
#5 Posted : Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:49:55 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Because his policies in their rawest form have been failures


I doubt whether Marx came up with any policies. His accuser(s) are using the word 'doctrine'.

So the history we know or have experienced has been a discourse around a doctrine. The elements of the context of discourse involve more things than those of the political economy. For example 'demographics' and the psychologies representing the demographic distribution.

Another critical element that appears to have been lacking is the prioritization of truth, and perhaps of disuse of the technique of knowing what is true or false. Doctrines are there to be tested for truth or falsity, even before they are executed.

At least we should evaluate and judge Marx as a human, amenable to the forces that affect all other humans. Of course if he were or is a deity, we must weigh him against the rule of deities that must be available for all of us.

tycho
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:06:55 PM
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In the end, this story is about the vandals and the conflict inside them, which has found an object in Marx.

The reduction of philosophy to crime is intriguing. It's a negation of the highest value and calling.

If the vandalism represents a general trend in Europe, then guys, there's a serious blackout there.

Do we have light in here?
tony stark
#7 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2019 12:43:38 PM
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tycho wrote:
In the end, this story is about the vandals and the conflict inside them, which has found an object in Marx.

The reduction of philosophy to crime is intriguing. It's a negation of the highest value and calling.

If the vandalism represents a general trend in Europe, then guys, there's a serious blackout there.

Do we have light in here?


The vandals are clearly ignorant. They are probably some key board warriors who have graduated from the key board to a real life action. This is a juvenile act and that energy should be directed to something useful like brexit.

Now to Karl marx. He was right and wrong (Or yet to pass)

1. Karl max was right the bourgeoisie did exploit the proletariat and did lead to massive inequality. USA is a great example of the exploitation and is the prototypical capitalistic society unlike Europeans who have some elements of socialism.

2. The inequality was going to lead to uprising. Yes Karl Marx was right on this as well but he was wrong on how the uprising will look like. The uprising is fueling demagogues and the rise of nationalism. The Modis, Trumps and magufulis of this world are as a result of the inequality. However the demagogues are pointing the fingers at "others"

3. Marx was wrong on communism being the evolution from capitalism. He might be wrong or this future is yet to pass. The experimentation of the universal living wage, despite their failures, might be a first step to a proto-communist world that is different from what the Bolsheviks envisioned. AI, Machine learning and robotics might also support this proto-communist world.

Don't get me wrong communism didn't work and the few countries that claim to be communist now are actually socialist. But maybe the timing was wrong and Marx might still be right communism or some form of communism is still the future.

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