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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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tycho wrote:Fyatu wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Conquestador wrote:Fyatu wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
I have found myself feeling pity for Uhuru, a man I refused to vote for in 2013 and campaigned against in 2017.
When you interact with the people who form the bedrock of his political support, you come across anger and frustration that is almost reaching scary levels.
The economy has tanked badly and I doubt Uhuru knows this. His big 4 is dead even before it starts. Even if he fires all corrupt guys in government and hires clean guys, there is no money to finance the big 4.
For every 100 bob KRA collects debt servicing takes 38 bob. Salaries, pension and counties take the rest. We have maxed out on borrowing. actually we have to restructure some facilities.
In my home county Nyeri, milk prices have dropped from a high of 38 to around 28 bob. And this is the dry season. Farmers are scared stiff what will happen after the rains when we have a milk glut. Broiler and poultry farmers have seen their investments go up in flames. Coffee is history. The new goldmine is macadamia and the prices are stuck at 140 from a high of 220 last season.
Uhuru doesn't have a chance to leave an economic legacy. He doesn't have the willingness or moral authority to fight corruption. He spent the first term undermining the new constitution so he can't leave a legacy of setting a constitutional foundation for Kenya. From where shall he craft his legacy ?
When historians finally write about his term in office, it is doubtful Kenya will ever have a worse presidency than this.
Huko blue section people(myself to be precise) have been waiting for the bull lakini everyday it is doom and gloom as far as economy is concerned. Todays newspapers says cement consumption has gone down.The papers are also reporting that 38% of KRA revenues are going to pay debts for money that has been stolen. Njiraini now wants to tax Lipa na Mpesa paybill after taxing airtime and Mpesa 2018/2019. Saccos are also a big tax target going forward. NSSF statutory reduction is now up to 2000 bob from 200 bob. This is money Atwoli and friends at NSSF are going to fatten-up with proper.They painted thika rd. pink..They even introduced NYS buses for public transport.etcc...i think we need a new thread of Uhuru's flat failure. Meanwhile big 4 now sounds like a tired line. I said it here that big 4 is another hot air. Hata ground breaking ya nyumba za mabati has not happened.Uhuru should just go back to Ruto and together continue insulting Baba in matangas and stop pretending to be looking for legacy. Legacy to me is money in my pocket. Hiyo ingine ni yao Let kumira kumira thurakus eat their jeuri...wacha okuyo na kaleos wakule jeuri yao ya 2017 so people here still believe that presidents and governments make a country or an individual rich? The work of government in a developing country is to tax people at the highest rate it can get away with while providing the lowest possible level of social, security and enabling environment it can get away with. Maybe you are too young, but most of us remember the years between 2003-2013 with nostalgia. Anyone who did not accumulate something those years is beyond help. And yes, the magic was made possible by a third word president called Kibaki. Now everything we accumulated those days is going up in smoke. A president/government can make you rich like Kibaki or poor like Uhuru. During the Nyayo "Error" ordinary mwananchi was not buying land. After Kibaki got to power it just took less than 4 years and this nation was transformed.Migundas were "unlocked" and people started building. Lethargic and corruption laden parastatals like Kenya power improved drastically. Banks started lending money etc. A road like Mombasa road was for once repaired/constructed well and my frequent trips mamba ya nyundo became better. Palm wine was legalized through a presidential decree and it became a major economic activity huku. Folks even dared to dream of adding value to mnazi and transporting it to ilovi etc. Huko stocks market watu made money. Heck, even Tanzanians made money and named a major road huko oyster bay/slip way (ndani ya Dar), Mwai Kibaki road.... Most of these changes you've mentioned, are still on. And, it can't be shown that these were exclusively Kibaki initiatives as president. I fear you're pointing out at a favorable correlation... Most definitely i have a selective bias. siku zote mwamba ngoma huvutia kwake..hii serikali yetu ya sasa imekuwa ya taabu na matatizo Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Apparently, the middle class has no clue on what to vote for. Little wonder it's said that they seldom go to vote.
Then in typical mass man fashion they lay the blame on Wanjiku and call her names to cover for their ineptitude.
Like now, it's clear that we're making the political debate to be on which personality is needed for statehouse 2022...
Well, after EACC got a bishop, I guess the state needs an Engineer! Oh, no. Maybe a spy master trained in Israel and with connection to the Russians...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:tycho wrote:Fyatu wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Conquestador wrote:Fyatu wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
I have found myself feeling pity for Uhuru, a man I refused to vote for in 2013 and campaigned against in 2017.
When you interact with the people who form the bedrock of his political support, you come across anger and frustration that is almost reaching scary levels.
The economy has tanked badly and I doubt Uhuru knows this. His big 4 is dead even before it starts. Even if he fires all corrupt guys in government and hires clean guys, there is no money to finance the big 4.
For every 100 bob KRA collects debt servicing takes 38 bob. Salaries, pension and counties take the rest. We have maxed out on borrowing. actually we have to restructure some facilities.
In my home county Nyeri, milk prices have dropped from a high of 38 to around 28 bob. And this is the dry season. Farmers are scared stiff what will happen after the rains when we have a milk glut. Broiler and poultry farmers have seen their investments go up in flames. Coffee is history. The new goldmine is macadamia and the prices are stuck at 140 from a high of 220 last season.
Uhuru doesn't have a chance to leave an economic legacy. He doesn't have the willingness or moral authority to fight corruption. He spent the first term undermining the new constitution so he can't leave a legacy of setting a constitutional foundation for Kenya. From where shall he craft his legacy ?
When historians finally write about his term in office, it is doubtful Kenya will ever have a worse presidency than this.
Huko blue section people(myself to be precise) have been waiting for the bull lakini everyday it is doom and gloom as far as economy is concerned. Todays newspapers says cement consumption has gone down.The papers are also reporting that 38% of KRA revenues are going to pay debts for money that has been stolen. Njiraini now wants to tax Lipa na Mpesa paybill after taxing airtime and Mpesa 2018/2019. Saccos are also a big tax target going forward. NSSF statutory reduction is now up to 2000 bob from 200 bob. This is money Atwoli and friends at NSSF are going to fatten-up with proper.They painted thika rd. pink..They even introduced NYS buses for public transport.etcc...i think we need a new thread of Uhuru's flat failure. Meanwhile big 4 now sounds like a tired line. I said it here that big 4 is another hot air. Hata ground breaking ya nyumba za mabati has not happened.Uhuru should just go back to Ruto and together continue insulting Baba in matangas and stop pretending to be looking for legacy. Legacy to me is money in my pocket. Hiyo ingine ni yao Let kumira kumira thurakus eat their jeuri...wacha okuyo na kaleos wakule jeuri yao ya 2017 so people here still believe that presidents and governments make a country or an individual rich? The work of government in a developing country is to tax people at the highest rate it can get away with while providing the lowest possible level of social, security and enabling environment it can get away with. Maybe you are too young, but most of us remember the years between 2003-2013 with nostalgia. Anyone who did not accumulate something those years is beyond help. And yes, the magic was made possible by a third word president called Kibaki. Now everything we accumulated those days is going up in smoke. A president/government can make you rich like Kibaki or poor like Uhuru. During the Nyayo "Error" ordinary mwananchi was not buying land. After Kibaki got to power it just took less than 4 years and this nation was transformed.Migundas were "unlocked" and people started building. Lethargic and corruption laden parastatals like Kenya power improved drastically. Banks started lending money etc. A road like Mombasa road was for once repaired/constructed well and my frequent trips mamba ya nyundo became better. Palm wine was legalized through a presidential decree and it became a major economic activity huku. Folks even dared to dream of adding value to mnazi and transporting it to ilovi etc. Huko stocks market watu made money. Heck, even Tanzanians made money and named a major road huko oyster bay/slip way (ndani ya Dar), Mwai Kibaki road.... Most of these changes you've mentioned, are still on. And, it can't be shown that these were exclusively Kibaki initiatives as president. I fear you're pointing out at a favorable correlation... Most definitely i have a selective bias. siku zote mwamba ngoma huvutia kwake..hii serikali yetu ya sasa imekuwa ya taabu na matatizo I can understand. But this approach won't do us any good. We'll keep on fumbling in the dark till the whole nation explodes. After that, we'll still be having no clues on the ways forward. It'll be like the often mentioned quote on madness that is alluded to Einstein...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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I still think everything worthwhile has a price! The pinch you are feeling in taxation is the price! Mine are simple evaluations - The rail and roads being built on their own are expensive but they are there... the big 4 has always been a pipe dream (plus personally - I think they are most of them are not supposed to be government business anyway... GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN BUSINESS, SHOULD NOT FEED YOU! OR BUILD HOUSES FOR YOU FROM TAXATION SHILLINGS).. Basics... provide security, build roads, build hospitals, build schools. hire teachers and doctors e.t.c. the rest watu wajipange. if we ever get oil... now they can take proceeds from that to feed people, build houses or 'do business'... not from taxes. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:I still think everything worthwhile has a price! The pinch you are feeling in taxation is the price! Mine are simple evaluations - The rail and roads being built on their own are expensive but they are there... the big 4 has always been a pipe dream (plus personally - I think they are most of them are not supposed to be government business anyway... GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN BUSINESS, SHOULD NOT FEED YOU! OR BUILD HOUSES FOR YOU FROM TAXATION SHILLINGS).. Basics... provide security, build roads, build hospitals, build schools. hire teachers and doctors e.t.c. the rest watu wajipange. if we ever get oil... now they can take proceeds from that to feed people, build houses or 'do business'... not from taxes. Aye! That Big 4 is a pipe dream unless the govt gives incentives to the private sector just like Kibaki gave incentives to power production companies. Gov't should only provide the basics, roads, water, electricity the rest housing; even saccos can build, then govt can give them tax breaks for units sold. We cannot depend on govt for everything "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:I still think everything worthwhile has a price! The pinch you are feeling in taxation is the price! Mine are simple evaluations - The rail and roads being built on their own are expensive but they are there... the big 4 has always been a pipe dream (plus personally - I think they are most of them are not supposed to be government business anyway... GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN BUSINESS, SHOULD NOT FEED YOU! OR BUILD HOUSES FOR YOU FROM TAXATION SHILLINGS).. Basics... provide security, build roads, build hospitals, build schools. hire teachers and doctors e.t.c. the rest watu wajipange. if we ever get oil... now they can take proceeds from that to feed people, build houses or 'do business'... not from taxes. Aye! That Big 4 is a pipe dream unless the govt gives incentives to the private sector just like Kibaki gave incentives to power production companies. Gov't should only provide the basics, roads, water, electricity the rest housing; even saccos can build, then govt can give them tax breaks for units sold. We cannot depend on govt for everything Exactly! It’s never going to work - government should do things that most people can’t... build roads, pay an army and police, teachers, doctors, build schools. Things that take communities to achieve. Feeding people is an individual responsibility or at most a family one. People should live where they can not be problems to others. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:I still think everything worthwhile has a price! The pinch you are feeling in taxation is the price! Mine are simple evaluations - The rail and roads being built on their own are expensive but they are there... the big 4 has always been a pipe dream (plus personally - I think they are most of them are not supposed to be government business anyway... GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN BUSINESS, SHOULD NOT FEED YOU! OR BUILD HOUSES FOR YOU FROM TAXATION SHILLINGS).. Basics... provide security, build roads, build hospitals, build schools. hire teachers and doctors e.t.c. the rest watu wajipange. if we ever get oil... now they can take proceeds from that to feed people, build houses or 'do business'... not from taxes. Aye! That Big 4 is a pipe dream unless the govt gives incentives to the private sector just like Kibaki gave incentives to power production companies. Gov't should only provide the basics, roads, water, electricity the rest housing; even saccos can build, then govt can give them tax breaks for units sold. We cannot depend on govt for everything Exactly! It’s never going to work - government should do things that most people can’t... build roads, pay an army and police, teachers, doctors, build schools. Things that take communities to achieve. Feeding people is an individual responsibility or at most a family one. People should live where they can not be problems to others. Sometimes I wonder whether you take time to think about your ex cathedra opinions...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:I still think everything worthwhile has a price! The pinch you are feeling in taxation is the price! Mine are simple evaluations - The rail and roads being built on their own are expensive but they are there... the big 4 has always been a pipe dream (plus personally - I think they are most of them are not supposed to be government business anyway... GOVERNMENT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN BUSINESS, SHOULD NOT FEED YOU! OR BUILD HOUSES FOR YOU FROM TAXATION SHILLINGS).. Basics... provide security, build roads, build hospitals, build schools. hire teachers and doctors e.t.c. the rest watu wajipange. if we ever get oil... now they can take proceeds from that to feed people, build houses or 'do business'... not from taxes. Aye! That Big 4 is a pipe dream unless the govt gives incentives to the private sector just like Kibaki gave incentives to power production companies. Gov't should only provide the basics, roads, water, electricity the rest housing; even saccos can build, then govt can give them tax breaks for units sold. We cannot depend on govt for everything Exactly! It’s never going to work - government should do things that most people can’t... build roads, pay an army and police, teachers, doctors, build schools. Things that take communities to achieve. Feeding people is an individual responsibility or at most a family one. People should live where they can not be problems to others. Sometimes I wonder whether you take time to think about your ex cathedra opinions... how much time do you need me to take? masukuma on November 06, 2013 wrote:jaggernaut wrote:masukuma wrote:jaggernaut wrote:It's all got to do with Maslow's hierarchy of needs.......India is up there at self actualization while we are at the very bottom of the pyramid thinking about food and shelter.
you are using a scale to measure apples on oranges. Maslow's hierarchy of needs is for INDIVIDUALS. Countries should never think like individuals. Individual needs can be scaled up to those of a society/country's population. society is not here to solve your problems! Its here to solve collective problems. Jilishe! Jivishe! Our taxes are not to be used to feed you or clothe you. When your problems become society problems we will define a minimum standard to which as a society we wish all of our people should live above and use tax payers money to sponsor it but that is not the real reason we have a society. masukuma on June 30, 2014 wrote:maka wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:@tycho of course I know,just not keen..
What has your governor done for you?
Do you have issues that require his attention? Have you approached him as a voter to advice him? What did he say?
Firstly @kysse, not being keen on Ward level politics is the same as not knowing what happens and is a negation of political responsibility, and is still slave politics. To your questions: My governor has done nothing for me, and I haven't sought an audience with him to offer any advice. This is because the governor, and most governors, have in fact neglected their duty in promoting constitutional structures that can allow such dialogue to take place without uneven costs. In my case, Ward committee elections were mismanaged, and there was no effort by any county official to harness human resources for this important exercise. So far, I haven't seen a single governor working on this crucial aspect of development. Need I say that individual attempts to go to his office as an individual are politically futile? Before elections, it was discovered that no county in Kenya could generate enough revenues to meet the expenses each was expected to incur. Now my governor has raised costs- and many governors have done so - but shows no effort in boosting incomes. Incidentally, Nairobi has more and better roads than Machakos; of what good are these roads if they don't improve household earnings? A slum like Korogocho has tarmacked roads, but are the people earning more? Probably from crime. the question of household earnings and government expenditure is a touchy issue but i will share my opinion! 1. Government money is first supposed to be used for 'PUBLIC GOOD'! public good is things like Roads, Security and Education (coz you were schooled kwa deni). (enter kansiime's accent) You Ask yourself ! who are majority of the tax payers? what are their needs? (end kansiime's accent) - it's the rich and the middle class... the poor hardly pay any tax!! 2. After satisfying the above - find out... what is the minimum standard of living we expect a citizen of this country to live under? with the extras from the above... work towards raising the basics of these poor folks. it's my considered opinion that PUBLIC FUNDS are not POOR PEOPLE'S FUNDS. We cannot be a social society from the get go and expect to flourish. If I am forking 50k a month as PAYE (not that I do...)... I expect that the roads I use should not be forcing me to fix shocks every few months. You make me wonder what entails a considered opinion. Not all tax is income tax. And while the poor are not taxed on their incomes, they are taxed on other things, directly and indirectly. So it can't be that public funds aren't poor people's funds. Kindly, show me a country where only the rich and middle class are taxed, or where the poor are taxed less than the rich - total tax burden. Truly we are politically naive. If the middle class have a heavy tax burden, then they are in fact, poor. Couldn,t have said it better...we never agreed with @Masukuma a while back on this... the poor are not taxed for anything... they don't buy most things that have taxes on them! the poor don't pay taxes period! anything that the poor get taxed on indirectly - everyone else gets taxed on the same! food stuff is not taxed so tuwache kuwa naive.... the only reason this stays this way is because the poor have votes! it's one man one vote not one shilling in taxation for 1 vote! do you remember the top 1% of people in the US argument? that 1% was reponsible for 40% of all taxes paid and the bottom 47% paid nothing! the 52% paid the rest of the 60% in decreasing order! Mali ya umma sio mali ya maskini!  masukuma on December 24, 2016 wrote:maka wrote:@Masukuma you were the one who kept on bashing me that pesa za serikali si za uma...what changed...? I said...MALI YA UMMA SIO MALI YA MASIKINI. UMMA is everyone. You guys kept in prioritizing the poverty agenda as if it was the only agenda.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Masukuma, enough time to know that economies don't read textbooks and that there's no 'standard economy' that all people should subscribe to.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Since the President is Wazuan, we hope he shall read and rethink his Big 4 agenda. Quote:We have too much government involvement in our development agenda.
The role of government is to develop enabling policies and stop there. Our broken system allows the government to implement even the most mundane things. For example, the maize sub-sector did so well when there was less government involvement until the government started buying fertilizer for farmers and buying maize. Hii ya kununua fertilizer na mahindi has be Arap Mashambas policy...total failure and should be termed as unconstitutional. Do we buy fertilizer and Rice for rice farmers? We saw the govt unable to buy ndengu( 1 form of cereal) from Kitui farmers....I wonder why newfarer and the politicians of Ukambani never raised an issue and left Ngilu to fight on her own. Very useless politicians. Privatize NCPB or make it a county asset providing funds to other counties to have their own silos. Quote:HOUSING
Here too, there is too much government involvement, with glaring conflict of interest in a sector where, essentially, private sector should drive the expansion. Instead industry players spend more time cosying with political leaders instead of addressing gaps in manufacturing through research, incubation and acceleration start-ups in the sector.
Research shows that by 2050 more than 60 percent of Africans will live in urban areas hence the reason affordable housing appears in virtually every policy proposal including SDG 11 (sustainable cities and communities).
We will never achieve this goal without significantly transforming the way we build and manage our urban spaces.
The last thing govt should be doing is building your house. Govt involvement should end at mapping and zoning the rest leave for the private investors. https://www.nation.co.ke...030026-8mvqhf/index.html"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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[quote=murchr]Since the President is Wazuan, we hope he shall read and rethink his Big 4 agenda. Quote:We have too much government involvement in our development agenda.
The role of government is to develop enabling policies and stop there. Our broken system allows the government to implement even the most mundane things. For example, the maize sub-sector did so well when there was less government involvement until the government started buying fertilizer for farmers and buying maize. Hii ya kununua fertilizer na mahindi has be Arap Mashambas policy...total failure and should be termed as unconstitutional. Do we buy fertilizer and Rice for rice farmers? We saw the govt unable to buy ndengu( 1 form of cereal) from Kitui farmers....I wonder why newfarer and the politicians of Ukambani never raised an issue and left Ngilu to fight on her own. Very useless politicians. Privatize NCPB or make it a county asset providing funds to other counties to have their own silos. Quote:HOUSING
Here too, there is too much government involvement, with glaring conflict of interest in a sector where, essentially, private sector should drive the expansion. Instead industry players spend more time cosying with political leaders instead of addressing gaps in manufacturing through research, incubation and acceleration start-ups in the sector.
Research shows that by 2050 more than 60 percent of Africans will live in urban areas hence the reason affordable housing appears in virtually every policy proposal including SDG 11 (sustainable cities and communities).
We will never achieve this goal without significantly transforming the way we build and manage our urban spaces.
The last thing govt should be doing is building your house. Govt involvement should end at mapping and zoning the rest leave for the private investors. https://www.nation.co.ke...30026-8mvqhf/index.html[/quote] When we said govt shouldn't get involved in growing maize in galana kulalu, that it wouldnt work and in any case, by so doing it was going to compete with farmers (put them out of business), they didn't listen. Now the project is dead, me and you we're left to pay the debts. If anything keeps many kenyans awake at night its the blunders this govt makes on economy. Total waste for govt to invest in educating its people (on economics and other bodies of knowledge), have universities invest in research and scholarship and then make decisions without regard to basic economics principles
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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A textbook approach to countries being free market liberal economies doesn't work. Here's an example https://www.theguardian....to-let-on-newbuild-homes
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[quote=tycho]A textbook approach to countries being free market liberal economies doesn't work. Here's an example https://www.theguardian....o-let-on-newbuild-homes[/quote] You will need a job first to then need a house in the city. Not the other way round as govt is doing. I would have wanted to see more of govt initiatives to create jobs first not to give freebies..eg. Why do govt departments still import cars when they can buy locally assembled ones? How many jobs can we create by this simple tweak? Create jobs first. People can then rent or buy houses in the city so they can do the job. But our Govt wants to give house first.
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limanika wrote:[quote=tycho]A textbook approach to countries being free market liberal economies doesn't work. Here's an example https://www.theguardian....o-let-on-newbuild-homes[/quote] You will need a job first to then need a house in the city. Not the other way round as govt is doing. I would have wanted to see more of govt initiatives to create jobs first not to give freebies..eg. Why do govt departments still import cars when they can buy locally assembled ones? How many jobs can we create by this simple tweak? Create jobs first. People can then rent or buy houses in the city so they can do the job. But our Govt wants to give house first. Its the new "nys". The housing scheme idea is purely a scheme to fatten the already fat cats at tax payers expense. Only contractors and officials will benefit. A few mido class will get several houses under aliases. The majority of contributors to the scheme will get zero zilch nada. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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tom_boy wrote:limanika wrote:[quote=tycho]A textbook approach to countries being free market liberal economies doesn't work. Here's an example https://www.theguardian....o-let-on-newbuild-homes[/quote] You will need a job first to then need a house in the city. Not the other way round as govt is doing. I would have wanted to see more of govt initiatives to create jobs first not to give freebies..eg. Why do govt departments still import cars when they can buy locally assembled ones? How many jobs can we create by this simple tweak? Create jobs first. People can then rent or buy houses in the city so they can do the job. But our Govt wants to give house first. Its the new "nys". The housing scheme idea is purely a scheme to fatten the already fat cats at tax payers expense. Only contractors and officials will benefit. A few mido class will get several houses under aliases. The majority of contributors to the scheme will get zero zilch nada. I heard from grapevine that KOTO was given this contract?
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limanika wrote:[quote=tycho]A textbook approach to countries being free market liberal economies doesn't work. Here's an example https://www.theguardian....o-let-on-newbuild-homes[/quote] You will need a job first to then need a house in the city. Not the other way round as govt is doing. I would have wanted to see more of govt initiatives to create jobs first not to give freebies..eg. Why do govt departments still import cars when they can buy locally assembled ones? How many jobs can we create by this simple tweak? Create jobs first. People can then rent or buy houses in the city so they can do the job. But our Govt wants to give house first. Kenya has never been able to create optimal employment ever since its creation. In fact, it can be argued that the world wars aside, Kenya has never been a viable economy. The Mombasa-Uganda railway was a scandal, and since then Kenya has only been able to create one scandal after the other. For me then, it's only time we rethought and redesigned our state accordingly. That means mageuzi and mapinduzi thabiti. Quite a difficult task given Newton's second law of motion. But the cat is already out of the bag. Our model of government and political economy is doomed for failure. It's only a matter of when...
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tycho wrote:limanika wrote:[quote=tycho]A textbook approach to countries being free market liberal economies doesn't work. Here's an example https://www.theguardian....o-let-on-newbuild-homes[/quote] You will need a job first to then need a house in the city. Not the other way round as govt is doing. I would have wanted to see more of govt initiatives to create jobs first not to give freebies..eg. Why do govt departments still import cars when they can buy locally assembled ones? How many jobs can we create by this simple tweak? Create jobs first. People can then rent or buy houses in the city so they can do the job. But our Govt wants to give house first. Kenya has never been able to create optimal employment ever since its creation. In fact, it can be argued that the world wars aside, Kenya has never been a viable economy. The Mombasa-Uganda railway was a scandal, and since then Kenya has only been able to create one scandal after the other. For me then, it's only time we rethought and redesigned our state accordingly. That means mageuzi and mapinduzi thabiti. Quite a difficult task given Newton's second law of motion. But the cat is already out of the bag. Our model of government and political economy is doomed for failure. It's only a matter of when... Quite radical statement. But one thing I agree is that it's a matter of when not if system of govt (central+devolved) fails. Either we modify or do away with one level. How can it be that over last 6 yes we have borrowed upwards of 4 trillion, but you can't see where the money has gone. Better even SGR we can see. It consumed 400B, where are the other 9SGR's to justify the 4 trillion???
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https://nairobinews.nati...uru-most-popular-leader
Quote:President Uhuru Kenyatta is the most popular leader. This is according to the latest research by Burson Cohn & Wolfe for 2019 world leaders. US President Donald Trump is in second place.
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https://www.the-star.co....huru-for-economic-mess/
Quote:Mt Kenya businessmen hit at Uhuru for economic mess
The Mt Kenya business community yesterday protested against President Kenyatta’s poor policies that have led to over-taxation, closure of companies and a weak economy.
They said high taxes, heavy borrowing, mismanagement of public funds and corruption have destroyed the economy.
They included exporters, retailers, manufacturers, transporters, microfinance operators, Sacco leaders and property owners.
They said the economy is incapable of creating business and employment opportunities and that many people have been pushed out of business.
“We are looking for a country where we can easily do business and make good returns. We also want challenges facing our people addressed by the government,” the leader of delegation, Alfred Wanyoike, said.
“The government should not create challenges for entrepreneurs but solve the existing problems and allow them to thrive.”
The group said security agencies are capitalizing on the fight against counterfeits to extort them.
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