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AlphDoti
#261 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:00:59 PM
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The questions @murchr asks sometimes makes me wonder if he has any understanding d'oh! d'oh!
murchr
#262 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:02:03 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Let's all be rational, the cost of transporting eggs from Uganda to Nairobi and taxes at the border (if any) should surely compensate for any competitive advantage Ugandan farmers have over their Kenyan counterparts, if it doesn't, then too bad, lets enjoy Ugandan eggs and look for something we are good at.


Aye!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#263 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:07:29 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
The questions @murchr asks sometimes makes me wonder if he has any understanding d'oh! d'oh!


Try to answer...counter question etc.

Still wondering what advantage the Kirinyaga egg farmer has against the one in Kiambu.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#264 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:15:36 PM
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murchr wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Let's all be rational, the cost of transporting eggs from Uganda to Nairobi and taxes at the border (if any) should surely compensate for any competitive advantage Ugandan farmers have over their Kenyan counterparts, if it doesn't, then too bad, lets enjoy Ugandan eggs and look for something we are good at.


Aye!


As much as you say aye, i am talking about what i have seen with my 'own smile ' eyes. If you find yourself in Rongo town just ask for stall for 'madam nya alego' who sells eggs - she is known all over coz it is a business she has done for over 20+ years and plus a widow for that matter. It is eggs she has sold that she has used to 'teach' her daughters whom she was left with while in primary school, both are now in University (Primary Boarding Kabarak, then Secondary - Sacho & Kabarak) now KU & JKUAT.

Guys can yap business model but i am talking reality.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
alma1
#265 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:18:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
The questions @murchr asks sometimes makes me wonder if he has any understanding d'oh! d'oh!


Try to answer...counter question etc.

Still wondering what advantage the Kirinyaga egg farmer has against the one in Kiambu.


I would like you to keep chicken in Kirinyaga then come here telling us how fantastic they are doing.

This is what is driving farmers crazy and mad.

Obi all the way in Japan thinks that it's all about good policies. Nope.

Kenyans are over taxed and its going to kill all industries. It is that simple.

But like I said, go keep chicken then come here and tell us about this new technology that you have found in Kirinyaga that will make zero rated tax in UG be beaten by 16% VAT in Kenya.

Look at the car thing. They will ban 8 year old cars. Instead of increasing the tax on those, they ban them. So that we can buy useless Lancers and VW Polo from mediocre companies. All in the name of saving industries. Heck thousands of jobs are going to be lost in July as we await VW Polo.

Reduce tax on locally manufactured cars would be best. But what do I know. I only know chicken feed in Kenya is more expensive in Kenya than UG.

I mean they tax everything and we still can't get them to build a bloody dam.

Most useless gov't in East Africa by a mile and we are still digging. But heck go on I am sure Pastor Nganga and Owour shall pray for us.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#266 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:20:40 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Let's all be rational, the cost of transporting eggs from Uganda to Nairobi and taxes at the border (if any) should surely compensate for any competitive advantage Ugandan farmers have over their Kenyan counterparts, if it doesn't, then too bad, lets enjoy Ugandan eggs and look for something we are good at.


Aye!


As much as you say aye, i am talking about what i have seen with my 'own smile ' eyes. If you find yourself in Rongo town just ask for stall for 'madam nya alego' who sells eggs - she is known all over coz it is a business she has done for over 20+ years and plus a widow for that matter. It is eggs she has sold that she has used to 'teach' her daughters who were left in primary school, both are now in University.

Guys can yap business model but i am talking reality.


And like all business....it evolves. So what do you want to tell us about madam nya alego? Is she a trader or farmer? If she's a trader, has she opted for UG eggs over KE eggs? Why? If she's a farmer, What has changed? 16% tax? If its competition, what is the UG farmer doing that she aint?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#267 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:23:20 PM
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murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Let's all be rational, the cost of transporting eggs from Uganda to Nairobi and taxes at the border (if any) should surely compensate for any competitive advantage Ugandan farmers have over their Kenyan counterparts, if it doesn't, then too bad, lets enjoy Ugandan eggs and look for something we are good at.


Aye!


As much as you say aye, i am talking about what i have seen with my 'own smile ' eyes. If you find yourself in Rongo town just ask for stall for 'madam nya alego' who sells eggs - she is known all over coz it is a business she has done for over 20+ years and plus a widow for that matter. It is eggs she has sold that she has used to 'teach' her daughters who were left in primary school, both are now in University.

Guys can yap business model but i am talking reality.


And like all business....it evolves. So what do you want to tell us about madam nya alego? Is she a trader or farmer? If she's a trader, has she opted for UG eggs over KE eggs? Why? If she's a farmer, What has changed? 16% tax? If its competition, what is the UG farmer doing that she aint?


I know of 3 farmers who used to keep chicken. They have stopped. They import from UG and TZ. It's damn cheaper. One has even set up his farm in UG.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#268 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:39:30 PM
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Folks, the elephant in the room is CURRENCY.
20 years ago, KESTZS was 10, now we are at 23.5.
That means, our goods vs Tanzanias are 2.5 times more expensive than they were in 1999, ceteris paribus.
KESUGX was 19, mow at 38.
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alma1
#269 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:44:34 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Folks, the elephant in the room is CURRENCY.
20 years ago, KESTZS was 10, now we are at 23.5.
That means, our goods vs Tanzanias are 2.5 times more expensive than they were in 1999, ceteris paribus.
KESUGX was 19, mow at 38.


Mathematically it sounds logical but factually it isn't.

Uganda imports the bloody inputs from Kenya so their costs of production should be higher negating the currency effect.

Think about this. Pineapples from Thika...Thika to Nairobi are more expensive than pineapples from Tanzania a place so far you take days to get to. There is a place I can take you called Kenyan ndogo with Kenyan farmers with gumboots.

Onions are coming all the way from Rwanda. Eggs from Uganda. Charcoal from Somalia...I mean this has happened in the last 5 years.

The number of Kenyan farmers in TZ would surpise you. Input by input, the cost of production of a single onion is at times 10 times lower than Kenya.

UG and TZ gov'ts have pulled every stop to protect their farmers. Here,we can't even pay them for maize..

Such a shame. Pineapples for crying out loud. This gov't has systematically killed local production. Now even our brains are being used in TZ and UG.

All because they are busy buying towels and booze for strange dams.

Pathetic.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#270 Posted : Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:47:23 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Folks, the elephant in the room is CURRENCY.
20 years ago, KESTZS was 10, now we are at 23.5.
That means, our goods vs Tanzanias are 2.5 times more expensive than they were in 1999, ceteris paribus.
KESUGX was 19, mow at 38.


That only means the regional currencies have lost value.

The price of a tray eggs is about 7500 UG Shilling. That's about 200bob

Ugandan farmers are also complaining that Kenyans are not buying as much eggs because guess what "Kenyans are also beginning to produce eggs in large scale"

My 2cents economics tells me that there could be a glut causing the cost of eggs to go down.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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