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gk
#11 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2019 1:13:44 PM
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2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


I beg to differ.
Suppose the tip of our border with TZ juts out in the opposite direction (and there are such cases elsewhere) to this one; wouldn't we end up with a rather small share of the ocean once the two lines intersect.

Baratang
#12 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2019 1:27:58 PM
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gk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


I beg to differ.
Suppose the tip of our border with TZ juts out in the opposite direction (and there are such cases elsewhere) to this one; wouldn't we end up with a rather small share of the ocean once the two lines intersect.



@gk there is no possibility of the two imaginery lines intersecting within the first 20,000km.they are almost parallel.smile
murchr
#13 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2019 8:14:22 PM
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2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles)
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Baratang
#14 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2019 9:58:16 PM
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What would happen if Kenya decided to withdraw her soldiers from Somalia? Would it not be a blessing in disguise for the troops withdrawal as this would give Nairobi an opportunity to take back this maritime triangle effortlessly?Drool
2012
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:43:07 AM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles)


What if they drew a border line right in the middle of that desputed area? Or they decide never to allow any economical activity there and leave it as that? (Although I know human greed only sees money everywhere).

BBI will solve it
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freiks
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:59:07 AM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles)


What if they drew a border line right in the middle of that desputed area? Or they decide never to allow any economical activity there and leave it as that? (Although I know human greed only sees money everywhere).


From maritime bounday standards, somalia is right and kenya is wrong, ICJ will rule for Somalia
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hardwood
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:16:54 AM
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gk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


I beg to differ.
Suppose the tip of our border with TZ juts out in the opposite direction (and there are such cases elsewhere) to this one; wouldn't we end up with a rather small share of the ocean once the two lines intersect.



I think you do not extrapolate the border into the sea, rather while standing at any point on the coastline within your territory you are supposed to look directly out into the sea and those are the territorial waters that belong to you.

muandiwambeu
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:08:08 AM
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freiks wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?


Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.


If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles)


What if they drew a border line right in the middle of that desputed area? Or they decide never to allow any economical activity there and leave it as that? (Although I know human greed only sees money everywhere).


From maritime bounday standards, somalia is right and kenya is wrong, ICJ will rule for Somalia

I beg to differ, you don't extrapolate your boundary, you assume the latitude at point where your boundary hits the shoreline. Thus, Kenya is right and our peers are wrong.
Somalia being easier to whack, got whacked, whacking us too.
The whacker just playing what you can get away with to both Kenyans and Somalians, Kenyans most for we have to battle it out with a oiled girl in bed with the big boot owner.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
muandiwambeu
#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:32:52 AM
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2012 wrote:
Looks to me like Somali's wisening up with someone's help and it is not us.

Quiz, do the prospectus do due diligence on such acquisitions. If yes, should it not be fair to support late professor Ali Mazurui's call for nuclearisation of African states just like Kim Jing Jong did ,just, at least to stand our grounds on our sovereignty.
Once eaten twice the sweeter. Northern Kenya, Western Kenya, Trukana lake regions
among others are all potentially disputable areas ready to be eaten too.
Who is next.

And for avoidance of any doubts, am a Kenyan, and am free to think Kenyan on matters affecting me as a Kenyan.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
AlphDoti
#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:35:22 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
2012 wrote:
Looks to me like Somali's wisening up with someone's help and it is not us.

Quiz, do the prospectus do due diligence on such acquisitions. If yes, should it not be fair to support late professor Ali Mazurui's call for nuclearisation of African states just like Kim Jing Jong did ,just, at least to stand our grounds on our sovereignty.
Once eaten twice the sweeter. Northern Kenya, Western Kenya, Turkana lake regions
among others are all potentially disputable areas ready to be eaten too.
Who is next.

And for avoidance of any doubts, am a Kenyan, and am free to think Kenyan on matters affecting me as a Kenyan.

Just as yo let your thoughts go wild, remember that the Cushites arrived in modern day Kenya before the Nilotes came from east of the Nile, before Bantus came from central Africa eastwards and southwards... I thought you should know

As for the nuclearisation, I agree with you. This will boost our manufacturing by reducing cost of production... It will also improve balance of power, sending a signal to others not to mess with us...
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