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Price Control Act for essential commodities
Magigi
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:44:23 AM
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...Well, the parliament has passed this bill and Baba Jimmy as usual will take time as he listens to hapa na pale to decide whether to append his signature or not. One argument I have read in the DN is that traders will move to selling other commodities that have no price controls and this will create shortage of the controlled commodities...na mimi nauliza, kwa lexample, for those who sell fuel...will they start sellling water!!! Shenzi argument!!!!
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#2 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:59:15 AM
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In a liberalised economy, this move is retrogressive. It is likely to lead to death of some local industries and shortages of essential goods. Remember the days whan goods used to disappear from shelves just before price announcemments!

It is likely the President will listen to the business community rather than the common man.
Soko tele
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:11:11 PM
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The government need to regulate fuel and electricity and everything else will fall in place..............

Does SA regulate fuel??
mukiha
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:29:18 PM
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I liked the way Jaindi Kisero summed it: "A foolish idea whose time has passed"

One the biggest problems in Kenya is our short memory. A crook steals our billions. Goes into hibernation; then comes out and bribes us to vote for him again...and we do!

I vividly remember the days when the price of sugar was controlled at Sh4.45 per kg. The local chief would take charge of the selling in the shops that had the commodity.

People would queue for several hours waiting for the chief to finish attacking the chang'aa dens and then come and supervise the selling of sugar.

BTW; the commodity would be delivered to only one shop in my town (Thika) once a month. Other traders wouldn't stock it because the profit margin was too small.

Same thing with cement. Only one shop in the whole town stocked it!

A few shops would get controlled commodities through the back door and sell them at "market" prices. E.g., sugar would be sold at Sh10 per kg; cement Sh100 instead of sh57.85.

And this is where these silly MPs want to take us back to?

Why have a cheap commodity which isn't available?

If I were Kibaki, I would reject that bill in the interest of the survival of the nation.

Still; it is interesting that Kibaki was the one who perfected the price control philosophy when he was minister for finance.

Let's wait to see whether he has changed.
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mukiha
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:33:54 PM
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Magigi wrote:
...Well, the parliament has passed this bill and Baba Jimmy as usual will take time as he listens to hapa na pale to decide whether to append his signature or not. One argument I have read in the DN is that traders will move to selling other commodities that have no price controls and this will create shortage of the controlled commodities...na mimi nauliza, kwa lexample, for those who sell fuel...will they start sellling water!!! Shenzi argument!!!!


@Magigi: petrol dealers will stop selling fuel; sell the stations and do something else with the money.

Anyway; I liked the way Jaindi Kisero summed it: "A foolish idea whose time has passed"

One the biggest problems in Kenya is our short memory. A crook steals our billions. Goes into hibernation; then comes out and bribes us to vote for him again...and we do!

I vividly remember the days when the price of sugar was controlled at Sh4.45 per kg. The local chief would take charge of the selling in the shops that had the commodity.

People would queue for several hours waiting for the chief to finish attacking the chang'aa dens and then come and supervise the selling of sugar.

BTW; the commodity would be delivered to only one shop in my town (Thika) once a month. Other traders wouldn't stock it because the profit margin was too small.

Same thing with cement. Only one shop in the whole town stocked it!

A few shops would get controlled commodities through the back door and sell them at "market" prices. E.g., sugar would be sold at Sh10 per kg; cement Sh100 instead of sh57.85.

And this is where these silly MPs want to take us back to?

Why have a cheap commodity which isn't available?

If I were Kibaki, I would reject that bill in the interest of the survival of the nation.

Still; it is interesting that Kibaki was the one who perfected the price control philosophy when he was minister for finance.

Let's wait to see whether he has changed.
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ProverB
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:41:17 PM
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..it amazes me that someone seated somewhere is convinced kenyans are poor... these same kenyans who ignorantly..(with some exceptions of course..) forked out a whooping 200BILLION shillings for safcom... a country were putting up a new railway line from coast to malaba would cost us 40 Billion only..a country with a trillion shillings budget..with minimal donor aid... all in Kenyan currency..not Zimb dollars

...and we result to archaic principles eager to preserve poverty by penalizing entrepreneurship n industry? no wonder Mbugua is my mp!..though against my vote..

i am learning to expect less from our leaders..that way..level of disappointment radically reduces
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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:46:23 PM
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A very retrogressive move by Parliament.
muganda
#8 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:48:14 PM
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@mukiha, I'm with you on this one. Your first comment reminds me of George Orwell's 1984; the public mind control and revision of history, to sanitise all crooks.

I agreed with Jaindi Kasero's article. Your sentiments also reinforce the comments I made on a separate post on the effect of GOVERNMENT on Kenyan business.

Ngumu sana!
niando
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:04:42 PM
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Price controls can take the form of

Maximum Prices – Price can’t rise above a certain level. This can reduce prices below the market equilibrium price. The advantage is that it may lead to lower prices for consumers.


The disadvantage is that it will lead to lower supply. There will also be a shortage, demand will exceed supply; this leads to waiting lists and the emergence of black markets as people try to overcome the shortage of the good and pay well above market price.

Minimum Prices

Minimum prices are used to give producers a higher income. They are used to increase the income of farmers producing goods.



The disadvantage of Minimum Prices

Higher prices for consumers
Higher tariffs necessary on imports
May encourage oversupply and inefficient.
Conclusion

Generally price controls distort the working of the market and lead to over supply or shortage. They can exacerbate problems rather than solve them. Nevertheless there may be occasions when price controls can help for example, with highly volatile agricultural prices


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mukiha
#10 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:09:16 PM
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Has anyone seen the bill? Where can I download it?

I ask because I wonder whether it has tackled the logistics of ensuring that traders stick to the controlled prices.

It's one thing to pronounce the price of Unga is SH25 and yet another to make sure that traders do sell at sh25.

Urgh! Silly MPs. What did we call them in SK? Oh yeah: MPIGS
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#11 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:18:16 PM
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This is a silly populist law that will never work. I would not waste time agonizing about it.

Why can't they adress the real problem.

Corruption, maize scandals etc.

Why does NOCK not sell its fuel at the 'correct price'

Having said that, the MP's move will make the govt think hard on ways to address the perrenial issues around essential goods in Kenya, it is not fair that the price of Unga should move from 60 to 120 simply because someone in carhoots with govt officials are hoarding the commodity and creating unnecessary supply bottlenecks.

May be the MP's should start supplying these essential goods, since with this bill they are suggesting that they understand these businesses more than the businessmen.
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StatMeister
#12 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:19:25 PM
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AND THERE GOES MY DREAMS OF A COMMODITIES / FUTURES MARKET IN KENYA BEFORE 2030.

And in other news, I hope they also do not have a proposal for a stocks price cap
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the deal
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:51:57 PM
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the deal wrote:
The GoK has an obligation to save its citizens not oil cartels set up by politicians...free markets have failed even in the U.S..in SA and Nam the Goverments sets the petrol pump price,tells the banks to lend at x%..removes VAT on basic goods like Unga...have the quality gone down=NO,are banks bankrupt=no probably most profitabe in Africa...this is long overdue...people cant suffer in the name of capitalism..BRAVO GOK!!!!

B.Timer
#14 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:27:44 PM
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Move informed of myopia.

Very populist but sure to boomerang on us.

If you ask the masses which way, they will give it an overwhelming approval, only to start grummbling later when things, as they sure will, begin taking an undesirable direction.
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The Merchant
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:06:14 PM
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@ statmeister... You are right , this may just have completely trashed the idea of a commodity futures market. Real shame. Only Kibaki can save us now. Lets hope he has a few good advisors. I doubt Kinyua is for this. He is a sharp guy.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:44:54 PM
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@ thedeal, no you are wrong price controls are archaic, of the days of king Edward of Britain. Am not supporting capitalism fully but there must be a better alternative than price controls which translates to soft communism. Long live the forces of demand and supply or more simply free market. The commodities exchange can still work with price controls, but not in kenya we are too young an economy to handle that complex world of derivatives together with the controls.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:48:26 PM
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Mukiha,BTimer,Mpenzi hata bei ya Mafuta?
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#18 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:52:46 PM
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There is no point controlling prices for goods that are short in supply.

Lets say the price of Jogoo is capped at 52 bob. Logically, the producer prices for maize will have to be controlled as well, irrespective of input costs.

This will definitely backfire.
KulaRaha
#19 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:07:29 PM
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India has fuel price control, and is doing better economically than we ever will.

Malaysia had fuel price control until 2008, and they are also better off than we are.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:10:23 PM
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Wazua, merge this thread with the other one on the same subject...
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