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kawi254
#411 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2019 5:28:40 PM
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Location: Nairobi
whiteowl wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Kenol-CEO-deleted-texts-before-insider/539546-4965486-8mtvg9/index.html

KenolKobil CEO David Ohana deleted selected text messages and call logs just hours before detectives raided his office, the stock market regulator has told the court in the ongoing investigations into suspected insider trading of the oil firm’s shares.　

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) investigators have in affidavits said they believe that Mr Ohana and Mr Andre DeSimone, the chief executive of stockbrokerage firm Kestrel Capital, got a tip-off on the impending raid, leading them to clean their devices ahead of the raid and seizure of documents.


I told you nothing will be found.Now lets accept and move on



call/SMS logs can be gotten from Safaricom/Airtel.

A serious data recovery company would still recover deleted SMS but there is no motivation here. Let's move on.

The smartest guys in the room = Kestrel & AKS & Ohana.
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Horton
#412 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2019 7:59:06 PM
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Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
kawi254 wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Kenol-CEO-deleted-texts-before-insider/539546-4965486-8mtvg9/index.html

KenolKobil CEO David Ohana deleted selected text messages and call logs just hours before detectives raided his office, the stock market regulator has told the court in the ongoing investigations into suspected insider trading of the oil firm’s shares.　

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) investigators have in affidavits said they believe that Mr Ohana and Mr Andre DeSimone, the chief executive of stockbrokerage firm Kestrel Capital, got a tip-off on the impending raid, leading them to clean their devices ahead of the raid and seizure of documents.


I told you nothing will be found.Now lets accept and move on



call/SMS logs can be gotten from Safaricom/Airtel.

A serious data recovery company would still recover deleted SMS but there is no motivation here. Let's move on.

The smartest guys in the room = Kestrel & AKS & Ohana.


Perhaps you guys finish reading the story! It says that the deleted messages were retrieved.
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VituVingiSana
#413 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 12:06:21 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Bring on the 23/- and we can call it a day!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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whiteowl
#414 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:04:54 AM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
Horton wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Kenol-CEO-deleted-texts-before-insider/539546-4965486-8mtvg9/index.html

KenolKobil CEO David Ohana deleted selected text messages and call logs just hours before detectives raided his office, the stock market regulator has told the court in the ongoing investigations into suspected insider trading of the oil firm’s shares.　

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) investigators have in affidavits said they believe that Mr Ohana and Mr Andre DeSimone, the chief executive of stockbrokerage firm Kestrel Capital, got a tip-off on the impending raid, leading them to clean their devices ahead of the raid and seizure of documents.


I told you nothing will be found.Now lets accept and move on



call/SMS logs can be gotten from Safaricom/Airtel.

A serious data recovery company would still recover deleted SMS but there is no motivation here. Let's move on.

The smartest guys in the room = Kestrel & AKS & Ohana.


Perhaps you guys finish reading the story! It says that the deleted messages were retrieved.


Anyone who has been in the NSE long enough knows how this story will end.I'm just waiting to feast on my 23/= in peace.
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VituVingiSana
#415 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:42:23 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
whiteowl wrote:
Horton wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Kenol-CEO-deleted-texts-before-insider/539546-4965486-8mtvg9/index.html

KenolKobil CEO David Ohana deleted selected text messages and call logs just hours before detectives raided his office, the stock market regulator has told the court in the ongoing investigations into suspected insider trading of the oil firm’s shares.　

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) investigators have in affidavits said they believe that Mr Ohana and Mr Andre DeSimone, the chief executive of stockbrokerage firm Kestrel Capital, got a tip-off on the impending raid, leading them to clean their devices ahead of the raid and seizure of documents.


I told you nothing will be found.Now lets accept and move on



call/SMS logs can be gotten from Safaricom/Airtel.

A serious data recovery company would still recover deleted SMS but there is no motivation here. Let's move on.

The smartest guys in the room = Kestrel & AKS & Ohana.


Perhaps you guys finish reading the story! It says that the deleted messages were retrieved.


Anyone who has been in the NSE long enough knows how this story will end.I'm just waiting to feast on my 23/= in peace.
Applause Applause Applause
Though I do not believe Kestrel's DeSimone and KK's Ohana were complicit in the allegations. CMA might just be throwing mud to see what sticks. Even AKS might be a victim of circumstances.

I have been a fan of KK for years - through thick and thin, through insults and derision. You know the folks who laughed at me and made fun every time KK had a hurdle to jump but I believed in it.

Look at my posts going back many years. What if the timing of a purchase was just before the announcement?
I have often said cash is a constraint. What if I happened on some cash and bought KK shares when I could?

Currently I am buying Centum given the low P/B, positive comments [investor presentation for 1H 2018-19] and a better 2019 vs 2018. Cash remains a constraint BUT after KK's cash checks in I plan to buy more Centum.

Suppose just after my purchase of Centum (after the KK cash is in) there is a takeover announcement or other significant news - a sale of Two Rivers or Vipingo for cash to a foreign investor eg Old Mutual - am I complicit in Insider Trading?

We need to know more but not through half-baked articles in the BD.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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whiteowl
#416 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:45:07 PM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
VituVingiSana wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Horton wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Kenol-CEO-deleted-texts-before-insider/539546-4965486-8mtvg9/index.html

KenolKobil CEO David Ohana deleted selected text messages and call logs just hours before detectives raided his office, the stock market regulator has told the court in the ongoing investigations into suspected insider trading of the oil firm’s shares.　

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) investigators have in affidavits said they believe that Mr Ohana and Mr Andre DeSimone, the chief executive of stockbrokerage firm Kestrel Capital, got a tip-off on the impending raid, leading them to clean their devices ahead of the raid and seizure of documents.


I told you nothing will be found.Now lets accept and move on



call/SMS logs can be gotten from Safaricom/Airtel.

A serious data recovery company would still recover deleted SMS but there is no motivation here. Let's move on.

The smartest guys in the room = Kestrel & AKS & Ohana.


Perhaps you guys finish reading the story! It says that the deleted messages were retrieved.


Anyone who has been in the NSE long enough knows how this story will end.I'm just waiting to feast on my 23/= in peace.
Applause Applause Applause
Though I do not believe Kestrel's DeSimone and KK's Ohana were complicit in the allegations. CMA might just be throwing mud to see what sticks. Even AKS might be a victim of circumstances.

I have been a fan of KK for years - through thick and thin, through insults and derision. You know the folks who laughed at me and made fun every time KK had a hurdle to jump but I believed in it.

Look at my posts going back many years. What if the timing of a purchase was just before the announcement?
I have often said cash is a constraint. What if I happened on some cash and bought KK shares when I could?

Currently I am buying Centum given the low P/B, positive comments [investor presentation for 1H 2018-19] and a better 2019 vs 2018. Cash remains a constraint BUT after KK's cash checks in I plan to buy more Centum.

Suppose just after my purchase of Centum (after the KK cash is in) there is a takeover announcement or other significant news - a sale of Two Rivers or Vipingo for cash to a foreign investor eg Old Mutual - am I complicit in Insider Trading?

We need to know more but not through half-baked articles in the BD.


Even when CMA finds anyone guilty of breaking the rules it has a history of giving paltry fine amounts like 50k.I also second you about the BD article.Mainstream media as a whole is dead.All they do nowadays is sell sensational headlines with little to no resources devoted to research.
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VituVingiSana
#417 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 4:22:47 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
My gut feeling is someone from CMA is leaking selective information to BD but not the whole truth.
But why?

How did BD find out about the seized phones?
Just as the finer details revealed in the article. Perhaps, it is not in the interest of AKS, Ohana and DeSimone to have this info out there even if they are innocent given the stress and reputation risk.
So who benefits from the leaks?

Of course, I want this deal over and done as soon as I made peace with selling my shares.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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murchr
#418 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 6:20:39 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
VituVingiSana wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Horton wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Kenol-CEO-deleted-texts-before-insider/539546-4965486-8mtvg9/index.html

KenolKobil CEO David Ohana deleted selected text messages and call logs just hours before detectives raided his office, the stock market regulator has told the court in the ongoing investigations into suspected insider trading of the oil firm’s shares.　

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) investigators have in affidavits said they believe that Mr Ohana and Mr Andre DeSimone, the chief executive of stockbrokerage firm Kestrel Capital, got a tip-off on the impending raid, leading them to clean their devices ahead of the raid and seizure of documents.


I told you nothing will be found.Now lets accept and move on



call/SMS logs can be gotten from Safaricom/Airtel.

A serious data recovery company would still recover deleted SMS but there is no motivation here. Let's move on.

The smartest guys in the room = Kestrel & AKS & Ohana.


Perhaps you guys finish reading the story! It says that the deleted messages were retrieved.


Anyone who has been in the NSE long enough knows how this story will end.I'm just waiting to feast on my 23/= in peace.
Applause Applause Applause
Though I do not believe Kestrel's DeSimone and KK's Ohana were complicit in the allegations. CMA might just be throwing mud to see what sticks. Even AKS might be a victim of circumstances.

I have been a fan of KK for years - through thick and thin, through insults and derision. You know the folks who laughed at me and made fun every time KK had a hurdle to jump but I believed in it.

Look at my posts going back many years. What if the timing of a purchase was just before the announcement?
I have often said cash is a constraint. What if I happened on some cash and bought KK shares when I could?

Currently I am buying Centum given the low P/B, positive comments [investor presentation for 1H 2018-19] and a better 2019 vs 2018. Cash remains a constraint BUT after KK's cash checks in I plan to buy more Centum.

Suppose just after my purchase of Centum (after the KK cash is in) there is a takeover announcement or other significant news - a sale of Two Rivers or Vipingo for cash to a foreign investor eg Old Mutual - am I complicit in Insider Trading?

We need to know more but not through half-baked articles in the BD.


The three conspired and they'll just get a slap on the arm.

Can we get that 23/- already and move on? CMA is dead
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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jmbada
#419 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:11:40 PM
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Joined: 1/1/2011
Posts: 396
not through half-baked articles in the BD.
[/quote]

The three conspired and they'll just get a slap on the arm.

Can we get that 23/- already and move on? CMA is dead[/quote]
How do you know that they conspired for a fact?
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Yliett
#420 Posted : Wednesday, February 06, 2019 4:29:29 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 12/23/2018
Posts: 38
Location: germany
I was reading in a news some time ago that one French company is preparing tender offer to acquire Kenol Kobil. Proposed price was 23. Does anybody have any information on this topic, especially considering freeze of some accounts?
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