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Law Capping interest rates
jmbada
#2701 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2019 10:02:11 AM
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chauhanmohit wrote:
Impunity wrote:
The Banking cartles and CBK have ganged up against the biol, very sad day.
Where in the world do commercial banks makes 30 billion profits and pay 1.5% pa interest on deposits?
Its only invetsment banks which can make such weird profits since most of them are actually pyranid schemes and cons...they quicly derate a country from AA+ to say C in a midnight then go behind door and buy the falling goverment papers in that same country, then after a year or two, they would elevate the country from C to A+, sell the papers and go home laughing.

For commercial banks like KCB and Equity, this is not their core buisness, so how how they manage those billion-profits is a mystery.


Thank you for being so informative!!!

The drumbeat to repeal continues!
https://www.google.com/a...ng-cap-on-lending-rates
jmbada
#2702 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2019 10:10:18 AM
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And
https://youtu.be/tW64wXuuEN0
He is in Asia currently
jmbada
#2703 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2019 10:11:51 AM
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littledove
#2704 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:21:30 AM
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https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/CBK-governor-backs-return-of-costly-loans-to-fuel-growth/3946234-4957350-ha1lyh/index.html
The Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has renewed its push for the scrapping of controls on the cost of loans, terming the current interest rates cap law as a drag on economic growth.
Governor Patrick Njoroge said Tuesday the limited access to credit was hitting small and medium-sized businesses hardest, yet they are key drivers of growth.
“There is a potential soft spot (in the economy). This concerns the micro small and medium enterprises (MSMEs). MSMEs are at the bottom of the pyramid. The MSMEs is where the employment is,” said Dr Njoroge at a media briefing in Nairobi following Monday’s Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) meeting.
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
jmbada
#2705 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 10:22:49 AM
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littledove wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/CBK-governor-backs-return-of-costly-loans-to-fuel-growth/3946234-4957350-ha1lyh/index.html
The Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has renewed its push for the scrapping of controls on the cost of loans, terming the current interest rates cap law as a drag on economic growth.
Governor Patrick Njoroge said Tuesday the limited access to credit was hitting small and medium-sized businesses hardest, yet they are key drivers of growth.
“There is a potential soft spot (in the economy). This concerns the micro small and medium enterprises (MSMEs). MSMEs are at the bottom of the pyramid. The MSMEs is where the employment is,” said Dr Njoroge at a media briefing in Nairobi following Monday’s Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) meeting.

This is almost daily coverage on this topic. A couple of banks are updating their 2019 marketing strategy accordingly.
newfarer
#2706 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 1:39:00 PM
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still saying let rates cap.no to greedy banks.
punda amecheka
jmbada
#2707 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 1:47:06 PM
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newfarer wrote:
still saying let rates cap.no to greedy banks.

It's a question of sustainability. The pure digital lenders cannot take the larger risks that banks can take, regardless of their big data capabilities. That is still the purview of deposit taking institutions. I have looked at some of the numbers for these micro lenders and their overall returns are attrocious, if you factor in their true non performing loans book. Real People is a true and highly-representative example and publicly visible due to their public bond.
Monk
#2708 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 2:43:54 PM
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newfarer wrote:
still saying let rates cap.no to greedy banks.


Labeling, shaming, name calling etc cannot change a law of nature. Risk vs returns will generally influence supply or lack of goods and services in the market.
tom_boy
#2709 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 2:53:49 PM
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jmbada wrote:
newfarer wrote:
still saying let rates cap.no to greedy banks.

It's a question of sustainability. The pure digital lenders cannot take the larger risks that banks can take, regardless of their big data capabilities. That is still the purview of deposit taking institutions. I have looked at some of the numbers for these micro lenders and their overall returns are attrocious, if you factor in their true non performing loans book. Real People is a true and highly-representative example and publicly visible due to their public bond.


Kindly explain, atrocious good or atrocious bad.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tom_boy
#2710 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:47:26 PM
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This law should and must stay in place. It has afforded this country some clean up of financial reckless lending.

Bank execs were lending recklessly to firms that do not qualify aka nakumatt, deacons. When the music stopped, firms have gone down. The same reckless lending has been transfered to mobile loans.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
jmbada
#2711 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:30:20 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
This law should and must stay in place. It has afforded this country some clean up of financial reckless lending.

Bank execs were lending recklessly to firms that do not qualify aka nakumatt, deacons. When the music stopped, firms have gone down. The same reckless lending has been transfered to mobile loans.

By your own argument, then the law has not worked. It has merely altered lenders' behaviour. By one count, there are over 49 digital lenders. All emerging in the past 3 years and charging annualized lending rates above 150%. It may be possible to argue that lending standards were loose in the past, but lending in a market with little to no information is inherently difficult. Taking Nakumatt as an example (and only because alot of the information is in the public domain) there was no clear, independent way of assessing their financial health PRIOR to advancing lending facilities 2/3 years back. There is no reporting system for corporates that pay their suppliers late, for example. The rates cap law would not cure that specific issue. Introducing a reporting system accessible by lenders would.
tom_boy
#2712 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:37:55 PM
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jmbada wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
This law should and must stay in place. It has afforded this country some clean up of financial reckless lending.

Bank execs were lending recklessly to firms that do not qualify aka nakumatt, deacons. When the music stopped, firms have gone down. The same reckless lending has been transfered to mobile loans.

By your own argument, then the law has not worked. It has merely altered lenders' behaviour. By one count, there are over 49 digital lenders. All emerging in the past 3 years and charging annualized lending rates above 150%. It may be possible to argue that lending standards were loose in the past, but lending in a market with little to no information is inherently difficult. Taking Nakumatt as an example (and only because alot of the information is in the public domain) there was no clear, independent way of assessing their financial health PRIOR to advancing lending facilities 2/3 years back. There is no reporting system for corporates that pay their suppliers late, for example. The rates cap law would not cure that specific issue. Introducing a reporting system accessible by lenders would.

No comment on this

Ati banks had no way to establish credit worthiness so they lent anyway d'oh! . Laughable
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
jmbada
#2713 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:37:38 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
jmbada wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
This law should and must stay in place. It has afforded this country some clean up of financial reckless lending.

Bank execs were lending recklessly to firms that do not qualify aka nakumatt, deacons. When the music stopped, firms have gone down. The same reckless lending has been transfered to mobile loans.

By your own argument, then the law has not worked. It has merely altered lenders' behaviour. By one count, there are over 49 digital lenders. All emerging in the past 3 years and charging annualized lending rates above 150%. It may be possible to argue that lending standards were loose in the past, but lending in a market with little to no information is inherently difficult. Taking Nakumatt as an example (and only because alot of the information is in the public domain) there was no clear, independent way of assessing their financial health PRIOR to advancing lending facilities 2/3 years back. There is no reporting system for corporates that pay their suppliers late, for example. The rates cap law would not cure that specific issue. Introducing a reporting system accessible by lenders would.

No comment on this

Ati banks had no way to establish credit worthiness so they lent anyway d'oh! . Laughable

...I said no clear, independent way...and I did not say that they lent anyway. Lots of banks walked away or offered loans at high, unregulated rates. I.e. they priced for uncertainty. The caps leave no room for judgment driven pricing in a market with opaque information at the best of times. That is why credit referencing bureaux are critical in any economy. There is currently no mandatory reporting for companies. This lengthens the credit assessment process significantly. Simply capping rates leads to the exact knee-jerk response obserbed in the market, which is to simply curtail lending altogether.
murchr
#2714 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:45:51 PM
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Everything we predicted about this law came to pass.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tom_boy
#2715 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:31:23 PM
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jmbada wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
jmbada wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
This law should and must stay in place. It has afforded this country some clean up of financial reckless lending.

Bank execs were lending recklessly to firms that do not qualify aka nakumatt, deacons. When the music stopped, firms have gone down. The same reckless lending has been transfered to mobile loans.

By your own argument, then the law has not worked. It has merely altered lenders' behaviour. By one count, there are over 49 digital lenders. All emerging in the past 3 years and charging annualized lending rates above 150%. It may be possible to argue that lending standards were loose in the past, but lending in a market with little to no information is inherently difficult. Taking Nakumatt as an example (and only because alot of the information is in the public domain) there was no clear, independent way of assessing their financial health PRIOR to advancing lending facilities 2/3 years back. There is no reporting system for corporates that pay their suppliers late, for example. The rates cap law would not cure that specific issue. Introducing a reporting system accessible by lenders would.

No comment on this

Ati banks had no way to establish credit worthiness so they lent anyway d'oh! . Laughable

...I said no clear, independent way...and I did not say that they lent anyway. Lots of banks walked away or offered loans at high, unregulated rates. I.e. they priced for uncertainty. The caps leave no room for judgment driven pricing in a market with opaque information at the best of times. That is why credit referencing bureaux are critical in any economy. There is currently no mandatory reporting for companies. This lengthens the credit assessment process significantly. Simply capping rates leads to the exact knee-jerk response obserbed in the market, which is to simply curtail lending altogether.


Pure hogwash. Fact is with high lending rates, banks did not care whom they were lending to. All one had to show is ability to pay back for at least 1 yr which would assure banks of having recovered their money. Afterwards it was pure profit. Same game they are playing with mobile loans. At some point some bank lent money to NCC. With their mismanagement, not paying salaries on time, not paying service providers, not meeting collection targets, yet credit worthy.Look how that ended.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
jmbada
#2716 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:22:35 PM
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murchr wrote:
Everything we predicted about this law came to pass.

And the rate cap theme continues
https://ntv.nation.co.ke/live

Kenya Bankers Association (KBA) (@KenyaBankers) tweeted at 7:26 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2019:
Dr. @HabilOlaka: Removing the interest rate cap will unlock credit to key sectors of the economy and SMEs #AMLiveNTV https://t.co/mcNiMUrcta
(https://twitter.com/KenyaBankers/status/1090828667855482880?s=03)
jmbada
#2717 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:41:04 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
jmbada wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
jmbada wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
This law should and must stay in place. It has afforded this country some clean up of financial reckless lending.

Bank execs were lending recklessly to firms that do not qualify aka nakumatt, deacons. When the music stopped, firms have gone down. The same reckless lending has been transfered to mobile loans.

By your own argument, then the law has not worked. It has merely altered lenders' behaviour. By one count, there are over 49 digital lenders. All emerging in the past 3 years and charging annualized lending rates above 150%. It may be possible to argue that lending standards were loose in the past, but lending in a market with little to no information is inherently difficult. Taking Nakumatt as an example (and only because alot of the information is in the public domain) there was no clear, independent way of assessing their financial health PRIOR to advancing lending facilities 2/3 years back. There is no reporting system for corporates that pay their suppliers late, for example. The rates cap law would not cure that specific issue. Introducing a reporting system accessible by lenders would.

No comment on this

Ati banks had no way to establish credit worthiness so they lent anyway d'oh! . Laughable

...I said no clear, independent way...and I did not say that they lent anyway. Lots of banks walked away or offered loans at high, unregulated rates. I.e. they priced for uncertainty. The caps leave no room for judgment driven pricing in a market with opaque information at the best of times. That is why credit referencing bureaux are critical in any economy. There is currently no mandatory reporting for companies. This lengthens the credit assessment process significantly. Simply capping rates leads to the exact knee-jerk response obserbed in the market, which is to simply curtail lending altogether.


Pure hogwash. Fact is with high lending rates, banks did not care whom they were lending to. All one had to show is ability to pay back for at least 1 yr which would assure banks of having recovered their money. Afterwards it was pure profit. Same game they are playing with mobile loans. At some point some bank lent money to NCC. With their mismanagement, not paying salaries on time, not paying service providers, not meeting collection targets, yet credit worthy.Look how that ended.

1. In order to get your money back in the first year on, say, a 5 year loan (you would need to lend at 80% interest p.a.)
2. Any financial projections for a company beyond 1 yr are exponentially unreliable. Hence the use of 2-3 year audited financials and a 1-2yr projection.
3. Don't know about the NCC transaction, but any loans to a public sector entity are inherently risky due to sovereign risk (including parastatals, counties, councils etc).
4. A large number of SMEs rely in part on sales to govt. or large market players like Supermarkets.So any delays still have a knock on effect on the underlying loan.
A simple cap of 4% means there is no room for banks to apply their judgment in pricing loans. So your own rexommendation that banks should underwrite loans more carefully is curtailed if they cannot also price differently for riskier loans.
tom_boy
#2718 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:46:22 PM
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One of the best way to determine credit worthiness of a person is whether they have repaid previous loans without defaults or penalties.

Banks were happily lending at 18 - 20% and clients were meeting obligations every month.

Suddenly, when loan rate falls to 14% , meaning clients monthly repayment is actually easier, the banks refused to refinance those loans.

Why give a loan happpily at 18% but refuse to give the same loan at 14% to a firm that was meeting loan obligations at 18%.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
jmbada
#2719 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:12:42 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
One of the best way to determine credit worthiness of a person is whether they have repaid previous loans without defaults or penalties.

Banks were happily lending at 18 - 20% and clients were meeting obligations every month.

Suddenly, when loan rate falls to 14% , meaning clients monthly repayment is actually easier, the banks refused to refinance those loans.

Why give a loan happpily at 18% but refuse to give the same loan at 14% to a firm that was meeting loan obligations at 18%.

Banks only reduced NEW loan advances, especially to customers who were not paying or defaulting on previous loans. Banks. And as you can see from the CBK report from the MPC meeting. There has still been credit expansion in the SME segment (6%) as opposed to the more ideal 12% by CBK standards. What is not clear is whether the 6% incremental is new loans or incremental loans to existing clients.
jmbada
#2720 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2019 1:12:05 PM
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The first big bank to break ranks....Stanchart offering to buy out loans at 11.5%
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