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KenolKobil 2018 and beyond
mlennyma
#361 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2019 7:29:50 AM
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Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
If you do not receive the packet by 31st Jan, you should go see your broker!

the nse has taught me tough lessons and Kk has saved my portfolio,i could be bleeding non stop were it not for Kk,good luck darling I wish you well and I will miss your valued company..having learned this lessons I can only buy safaricom below 15 or kcb below 30 with this money.truely be patient Jesus will come back.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Ericsson
#362 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:53:43 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If you do not receive the packet by 31st Jan, you should go see your broker!

the nse has taught me tough lessons and Kk has saved my portfolio,i could be bleeding non stop were it not for Kk,good luck darling I wish you well and I will miss your valued company..having learned this lessons I can only buy safaricom below 15 or kcb below 30 with this money.truely be patient Jesus will come back.


Safaricom is on an upward trend if you check.It was oversold at 21.50-22
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#363 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:17:15 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
I primarily invest for dividends and with no immediate plan to sell. So when faced with a takeover, this distorts my plans since I have to re-invest the proceeds. If KK was to be here for long and pay increasing dividends over time, the benefits far out way the premiums being offered today (23/=).

I think I have no choice but to take the offer given that the Frenchmen have even indicated that they will not continue with the current generous dividend policy that KK was pursuing.

The other consideration is; what was the impact of them buying a clean KK that just recently make major write offs of Segman payments, KPRL's account owing, long standing legal settlement in H1 and so on? Doesn't this obviously mean that future benefits of a cleaner balance sheet will not accrue to current shareholders, which is not a great at all?

As someone mentioned the number of investible firms in NSE continue to diminish and we will perhaps only be left with banks, Safaricom and a few other well run firms.



As Europe stagnates economically, Europeans are snatching up undervalued businesses from locals.
As long as we do not sell, does it matter?
Unga: I have refused to sell my shares at a pittance but it is NOT Seaboard but the Ndegwas (who sold us their crap - Ennsvalley) that are screwing us over.
KK: If you think 23/- isn't a fair price then do not sell.

The share will become hung.. Few trades below KES 23 with none above KES 23

Thanks for sharing our pain with us Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I Pray the "regulatory boards" (CMA, COMESA, CAK) give their approvals by end of November so we can wrap this up by 1Q 2019.

Totally hung share, as anticipated, made worse by the ongoing investigation against Aly and Co.. Let shareholders at Kenol Kobil hope for better things next year, while remembering Puma

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly No idea where this chap is BUT I think I may double my money in KK (12 March 2019) in the same amount of time he halved his in KQ!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#364 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:21:43 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Good news for KK - but I may not benefit from the profits given Rubis wants to buy me out. https://www.businessdail...5248-hm0abcz/index.html
and Oil Slumps Below $60 in London For First Time Since October 2017 https://www.bloomberg.co...s-of-global-supply-glut[/quote]

The purchase of kk by Rubis is on a standstill

Ati?
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Payment Date from 11 March 2019 Applause Drool Applause Drool
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Monk
#365 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:02:44 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/1/2009
Posts: 272
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
I primarily invest for dividends and with no immediate plan to sell. So when faced with a takeover, this distorts my plans since I have to re-invest the proceeds. If KK was to be here for long and pay increasing dividends over time, the benefits far out way the premiums being offered today (23/=).

I think I have no choice but to take the offer given that the Frenchmen have even indicated that they will not continue with the current generous dividend policy that KK was pursuing.

The other consideration is; what was the impact of them buying a clean KK that just recently make major write offs of Segman payments, KPRL's account owing, long standing legal settlement in H1 and so on? Doesn't this obviously mean that future benefits of a cleaner balance sheet will not accrue to current shareholders, which is not a great at all?

As someone mentioned the number of investible firms in NSE continue to diminish and we will perhaps only be left with banks, Safaricom and a few other well run firms.



As Europe stagnates economically, Europeans are snatching up undervalued businesses from locals.
As long as we do not sell, does it matter?
Unga: I have refused to sell my shares at a pittance but it is NOT Seaboard but the Ndegwas (who sold us their crap - Ennsvalley) that are screwing us over.
KK: If you think 23/- isn't a fair price then do not sell.

The share will become hung.. Few trades below KES 23 with none above KES 23

Thanks for sharing our pain with us Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I Pray the "regulatory boards" (CMA, COMESA, CAK) give their approvals by end of November so we can wrap this up by 1Q 2019.

Totally hung share, as anticipated, made worse by the ongoing investigation against Aly and Co.. Let shareholders at Kenol Kobil hope for better things next year, while remembering Puma

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly No idea where this chap is BUT I think I may double my money in KK (12 March 2019) in the same amount of time he halved his in KQ!


Sounds like you miss your sparring partner :)
VituVingiSana
#366 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:14:41 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
@Monk - I do miss our village madman Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ombaalbt
#367 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:33:36 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 5/19/2014
Posts: 68
Location: Migori
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Monk - I do miss our village madman Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


The bear has run some wazuans out of town.
Learning to sit on my hands
Kenyan Oracle
#368 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 11:39:15 AM
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Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 262
No One is coming up with a counter offer?
Puma where though at?
You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money - NAS
VituVingiSana
#369 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 3:50:38 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
KK forms are trickling in!

The only catch is that Rubis is allowed to extend the offer until 30 July 2019 and that is something I would NOT want to see.

BUT I hope they choose the Stanbic route by having 2 payout dates.
All those who submit by 18th Feb get paid by 12th Mar.
Those who submit forms after 18th Feb get paid in round two say 3 weeks after the 2nd closing date.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#370 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 5:38:48 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
VituVingiSana wrote:
KK forms are trickling in!

The only catch is that Rubis is allowed to extend the offer until 30 July 2019 and that is something I would NOT want to see.

BUT I hope they choose the Stanbic route by having 2 payout dates.
All those who submit by 18th Feb get paid by 12th Mar.
Those who submit forms after 18th Feb get paid in round two say 3 weeks after the 2nd closing date.


I'm yet to get mine. Waiting patiently. Might give them a call soon
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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