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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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sparkly wrote:So everyone on Wazua was wrong. Show us the way great Oracle MaichBlack. @sparkly hindsight is 20/20...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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sparkly wrote:So everyone on Wazua was wrong. Show us the way great Oracle MaichBlack. I hate this attitude and I don't engage with people who have it because they are more interested in the heat than the light!!! That doesn't add value to anyone! I stated facts which you pretended did not happen (despite contributing in those threads) and asked me to point you to those threads. I was gracious enough to dig up some of those threads and post the links as you requested. Sasa umeanza story mob. Whatever is in those threads is clear for everyone to see. Now what do you want me to do??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. You are preaching to the converted. I make my trades public. I have staked real cash on stocks perfomance against @vvs and @Obiero right here on wazua. Even my current portfolio is disclosed on post #173 on this thread - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=36025&p=9. I have seen many including @Vvs, @Angelica, @guru, @Obiero, @Pkoli, @Ebenyo among others disclose their holdings and rationale but not your's. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. You are preaching to the converted. I make my trades public. I have staked real cash on stocks perfomance against @vvs and @Obiero right here on wazua. Even my current portfolio is disclosed on post #173 on this thread - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=36025&p=9. I have seen many including @Vvs, @Angelica, @guru, @Obiero, @Pkoli, @Ebenyo among others disclose their holdings and rationale but not your's. This was never about you @sparkly (or anyone for that matter). Congratulations for managing to make it about you!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. You are preaching to the converted. I make my trades public. I have staked real cash on stocks perfomance against @vvs and @Obiero right here on wazua. Even my current portfolio is disclosed on post #173 on this thread - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=36025&p=9. I have seen many including @Vvs, @Angelica, @guru, @Obiero, @Pkoli, @Ebenyo among others disclose their holdings and rationale but not your's. This was never about you @sparkly (or anyone for that matter). Congratulations for managing to make it about you!!! Thank you. You made it about wazuans. My point is that you throw brick bats at wazuans yet your contribution is negligible. Just shut up. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. You are preaching to the converted. I make my trades public. I have staked real cash on stocks perfomance against @vvs and @Obiero right here on wazua. Even my current portfolio is disclosed on post #173 on this thread - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=36025&p=9. I have seen many including @Vvs, @Angelica, @guru, @Obiero, @Pkoli, @Ebenyo among others disclose their holdings and rationale but not your's. This was never about you @sparkly (or anyone for that matter). Congratulations for managing to make it about you!!! Thank you. You made it about wazuans. My point is that you throw brick bats at wazuans yet your contribution is negligible. Just shut up. There goes sparkly with insults 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Pole Maich u have all the right to your opinions
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Horton wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. You are preaching to the converted. I make my trades public. I have staked real cash on stocks perfomance against @vvs and @Obiero right here on wazua. Even my current portfolio is disclosed on post #173 on this thread - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=36025&p=9. I have seen many including @Vvs, @Angelica, @guru, @Obiero, @Pkoli, @Ebenyo among others disclose their holdings and rationale but not your's. This was never about you @sparkly (or anyone for that matter). Congratulations for managing to make it about you!!! Thank you. You made it about wazuans. My point is that you throw brick bats at wazuans yet your contribution is negligible. Just shut up. There goes sparkly with insults 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Pole Maich u have all the right to your opinions @Horton you don't know @MaichBlack. Anyway I am taking a break from Wazua for a while. Have fun boys and girls. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,678 Location: NAIROBI
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Turudi topic of discussion Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Horton wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Kindly read this @sparkly. And because it is written/typed (as opposed to spoken) you can read (very) slowly and let every word sink in. You are preaching to the converted. I make my trades public. I have staked real cash on stocks perfomance against @vvs and @Obiero right here on wazua. Even my current portfolio is disclosed on post #173 on this thread - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...ts&t=36025&p=9. I have seen many including @Vvs, @Angelica, @guru, @Obiero, @Pkoli, @Ebenyo among others disclose their holdings and rationale but not your's. This was never about you @sparkly (or anyone for that matter). Congratulations for managing to make it about you!!! Thank you. You made it about wazuans. My point is that you throw brick bats at wazuans yet your contribution is negligible. Just shut up. There goes sparkly with insults 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Pole Maich u have all the right to your opinions Thanks @Horton. I am wondering what this fellow is saying when he says my contribution is negligible. All he has to do is search my name. And you have been in Wazua for 11 years and this fellow tells you you don't know me. He has been here for 9. Shows you the kind of fellow he is. He knows everything. No one else does!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Ericsson wrote:Turudi topic of discussion Yeah. Nice idea. Let's do that. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Angelica _ann wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Name names. Who wrote off Safaricom? When? Point us to the thread so that we can contribute meaningfully. Were you in Wazua when Safaricom was trading sub 3/=??? "Chartist" made me sell part of my safaricom at 11 bob, the oversold - overbought blal blal blal. I have never believed anything from them since. Do your own research & make your move. Both for these two shares they are both operating under heavy debt - finance cost and negative cash flow. Further I don't trust management of KPLC & Transcentury is suffering from heavy competition from Chinese products some of which are third rate - counterfeits plus their previous deal making prowess disappeared after the exit of Kibaki. Ni hayo tu!!! True. Things are elephant for both these firms. But at least there are some changes being effected at Kenya Power but the effects are yet to start being felt. And if Arap Mashamba takes over then things will totally fall apart!! The debt at Kenya Power is a big concern. They are unable to service their short term debt and have to refinance. Not good news. Having said that, I will be buying Kenya Power. I missed the 3.15/= price but hopefully it will come down again. This is a big risk and it will be years before I see any dividend but I expect gradual capital growth. Kenya Power is a monopoly messed by corruption, management and political interference. The first two are being sorted pole pole. We wait to see the depth of the solution. The third one will always be a problem with the current shareholding structure. We can only hope for restraint and commonsense from the government. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:tom_boy wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:sparkly wrote:tom_boy wrote:As a contrarian play, which one entails less risk of loss? Monkeys Both are traps aka handcuffs!!! What is the basis of these conclusions? Have you not heard that past performance is not an indication of future performance? Are you saying that nothing is being done to address issues that led to past poor performance? I think not! Wazua is a great place to get information but at times it can dish you tonne loads of misleading information!!! Safaricom comes to mind. The stock was totally bashed in Wazua even when it was trading at Kshs. 2.xy. Almost everyone wrote it's obituary and even prepared for its funeral. "Safaricom was finished. Could not compete. Voice was dead bla bla bla!!!". And threads were all over. You can dig them up!!! Suffice it to say most Wazuans missed the bus by millions of miles. I love Wazuans. They are very resourceful and have extremely valuable information. But when they are wrong, boy can they be wrong!!! Name names. Who wrote off Safaricom? When? Point us to the thread so that we can contribute meaningfully. Were you in Wazua when Safaricom was trading sub 3/=??? "Chartist" made me sell part of my safaricom at 11 bob, the oversold - overbought blal blal blal. I have never believed anything from them since. Do your own research & make your move. Both for these two shares they are both operating under heavy debt - finance cost and negative cash flow. Further I don't trust management of KPLC & Transcentury is suffering from heavy competition from Chinese products some of which are third rate - counterfeits plus their previous deal making prowess disappeared after the exit of Kibaki. Ni hayo tu!!! True. Things are elephant for both these firms. But at least there are some changes being effected at Kenya Power but the effects are yet to start being felt. And if Arap Mashamba takes over then things will totally fall apart!! The debt at Kenya Power is a big concern. They are unable to service their short term debt and have to refinance. Not good news. Having said that, I will be buying Kenya Power. I missed the 3.15/= price but hopefully it will come down again. This is a big risk and it will be years before I see any dividend but I expect gradual capital growth. Kenya Power is a monopoly messed by corruption, management and political interference. The first two are being sorted pole pole. We wait to see the depth of the solution. The third one will always be a problem with the current shareholding structure. We can only hope for restraint and commonsense from the government. 1. So you went round the tangent, just to justify your purchase of Kenya Power. The truth always come out. 2. You started with how Wazuans were wrong on Safaricom and Equity and how they shouldn't be trusted. Then you went all over the place on personalities instead of issues. 3. It's obvious your feelings were hurt when I called your betrothed, Kenya Power a monkey. 4. Kenya Power IS a monkey, in management and perfomance (with exception of a few Kibaki years). Its fundamentals are nowhere near and will never be near Safaricom or Equity Bank. 5. If you have chosen to wed a monkey, no problem. Love your monkey and accept the compliments and otherwise. You don't need validation by the whole of Wazua. Pambana na hali yako. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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 Let me conduct a quick vote. Let wazuans decide by voting (1) or (2). Vote closes in 24 hrs: 1. @Maichblack has a monkey; or 2. @Sparkly needs to get laid. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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I have always said I am a buyer (Kenya Power) at the right price. Dig up the other thread where we were getting info and insights from KaunganaDoDo (The inhouse Kenya Power aficionado). I was hoping it could go to below 3/= but I can do 3.15/= Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:So everyone on Wazua was wrong. Show us the way great Oracle MaichBlack. I hate this attitude and I don't engage with people who have it because they are more interested in the heat than the light!!! That doesn't add value to anyone! I stated facts which you pretended did not happen (despite contributing in those threads) and asked me to point you to those threads. I was gracious enough to dig up some of those threads and post the links as you requested. Sasa umeanza story mob. Whatever is in those threads is clear for everyone to see. Now what do you want me to do??? Just as I suspected!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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sparkly wrote: Let me conduct a quick vote. Let wazuans decide by voting (1) or (2). Vote closes in 24 hrs: 1. @Maichblack has a monkey; or 2. @Sparkly needs to get laid. I am buying the so called monkey as soon as it goes back to the 3.15/= levels. Now spare Wazauans personal rants and post something that adds value to the community. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote: Let me conduct a quick vote. Let wazuans decide by voting (1) or (2). Vote closes in 24 hrs: 1. @Maichblack has a monkey; or 2. @Sparkly needs to get laid. I am buying the so called monkey as soon as it goes back to the 3.15/= levels.Now spare Wazauans personal rants and post something that adds value to the community. Tacit vote for (1). Next... Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote: Let me conduct a quick vote. Let wazuans decide by voting (1) or (2). Vote closes in 24 hrs: 1. @Maichblack has a monkey; or 2. @Sparkly needs to get laid. I am buying the so called monkey as soon as it goes back to the 3.15/= levels.Now spare Wazauans personal rants and post something that adds value to the community. Tacit vote for (1). Next... Can I vote for both? 😆😆
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