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masukuma
#21 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 3:38:42 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
Shouldn’t these pastors be arrested for swindling gullible people? I honestly think what they do is a crime.

government should not go there... (separation of church and state and related things).
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Gee Clods
#22 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 4:24:15 PM
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I think we bring tithes to the house of God. From this storehouse, the work of God here on earth is financed. The pastor is just a steward of the house.

Regarding stewardship, he falls or stands before His master.

Tithing is under no coercion. Those doing it should do it to honor God (honor God with your substance) , acknowledging Him as your source and one who gives you power to acquire wealth.

This form of giving is a sign of surrender that you are free from the love of money.

But I agree that the subject has been abused by some greedy fellows who have their belly as their god.
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murchr
#23 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 4:33:29 PM
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Given that Christianity came after Judaism, its wise to look at how/where the tithing practice came from.

Am very lazy in researching this kind of stuff so I'll copy paste Wikipedia.

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The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor.


These days the tithe is used to support pastors(levites) to live lavishly - the poor man is totally forgotten

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The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites.


Christians changed this to one tenth of everything. Try tithing by taking your bananas or maize to some of these gospel inc churches and you'll be shocked.
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Mtu Biz
#24 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 4:34:00 PM
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Gee Clods wrote:
I think we bring tithes to the house of God. From this storehouse, the work of God here on earth is financed. The pastor is just a steward of the house.

Regarding stewardship, he falls or stands before His master.

Tithing is under no coercion. Those doing it should do it to honor God (honor God with your substance) , acknowledging Him as your source and one who gives you power to acquire wealth.

This form of giving is a sign of surrender that you are free from the love of money.

But I agree that the subject has been abused by some greedy fellows who have their belly as their god.



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tycho
#25 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:34:54 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Tithing is about recognizing God's provision to an individual. As such a human can never be wealthy in relation to God.

And the objective of humanity can never be amassing of wealth as far as relation to and with God is concerned.

To argue in terms of wealth and envy of people eating nyama choma is to fail to understand who God is and how He relates with humanity.



How to get the money? I keep on asking my God the same question. So far, I'm waiting for him, because certainly, He's proven to be more insightful than I am.

If He directs me to provide a service, or sell a product, or raid a bank; so be it!

All I know is that after the payments have been made, it will be God's doing. And I'll recognize that via a tithe.
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tycho
#26 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:38:22 PM
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murchr wrote:
Given that Christianity came after Judaism, its wise to look at how/where the tithing practice came from.

Am very lazy in researching this kind of stuff so I'll copy paste Wikipedia.

Quote:


The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor.


These days the tithe is used to support pastors(levites) to live lavishly - the poor man is totally forgotten

Quote:
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites.


Christians changed this to one tenth of everything. Try tithing by taking your bananas or maize to some of these gospel inc churches and you'll be shocked.


You may be surprised that a lot of Christianity is both anti-Christ and atheistic. For example, when a steward enriches himself using tithes, or a human tithes in order to be rich, then qualitatively that's atheism. It's a negation of God.
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tycho
#27 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:00:20 PM
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@Masukuma, instead of drawing Durer's replica and statement of how Christ looks like, draw the Tree of life. Because Christ himself asserted his identity with it.

Then we can think about its mechanics together and probably I may have a hint on how I'm to deal with my balance sheetsmile .
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masukuma
#28 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:04:22 PM
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tycho wrote:
@Masukuma, instead of drawing Durer's replica and statement of how Christ looks like, draw the Tree of life. Because Christ himself asserted his identity with it.

Then we can think about its mechanics together and probably I may have a hint on how I'm to deal with my balance sheetsmile .

I have 0 interest on advising others on how they should spend their money... sportpesa, tithing, drinking at kempiski - pesa ni yako... and you have an ID that our society gives people it thinks can make their own decisions.
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