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VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ  coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,506 Location: nairobi
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Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo Ur very contradictory. On Twitter you Expressed interest in their projects. So why express interest from people you donβt trust?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo I am a class 3 drop out but I know Cytonn is no better than my HAFR monkey. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo I am a class 3 drop out but I know Cytonn is no better than my HAFR monkey. Human beings tend to overstate their accomplishments  If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,506 Location: nairobi
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Horton wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo Ur very contradictory. On Twitter you Expressed interest in their projects. So why express interest from people you donβt trust? That is a long story that involves some money.. I will explain later
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@Horton, what happened to Cytonn buying KCB shares?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,011 Location: nairobi
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mwekez@ji wrote:@Horton, what happened to Cytonn buying KCB shares? They bought and salt at 48
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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bartum wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:@Horton, what happened to Cytonn buying KCB shares? They bought and salt at 48 And they were to buy again recently on selling NIC
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obiero wrote:Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo I'm with you here. I've never trusted this company and I wondered why they were marketing so aggressively over the past 2 years. And now I know why, I only invest in management I trust and I have never trusted in this one from day 1. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:jmbada wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:I have resolved, as we go into 2019, not to tear down others' choices. Except for @obiero & KQ coz that's just amusing. I am OK discussing the pros and cons of any investment. I am seriously considering more Saf and Centum at current prices. Neither is risk-free but they represent value for me. I am open to other views/info that I may not have considered. Some folks were deriding my choice of KK for various reasons. Well, unless Rubis backs out... I am IN the money. I have attended every AGM for the past few years. I used to wait until the "lunch crowd" disappeared and then the serious group would have a discussion with the Management. It wasn't always pretty. At a price of 20/-, I have made a minimum of 15% (annualized) and it fits within my investment goals. BTW, I don't really care if Rubis backs out either given I expect a future 15% Earnings Yield (at the 15/- level pre-Rubis). I do not mind owning a business that (on average) yielded me 15% compounded annually. So whereas I do not believe in Cytonn at 60, it was a great investment for those who got in at 10/-. Which other investment could has provided a 500% return in 3 years? [Not KK, not Unga, perhaps not even Saf] @Horton doesn't have to prove anything to anyone just as I will not post my statements or the value of my holdings. What is NOT "right" is pumping and dumping as some have done. As long as @Horton doesn't ask you to buy Cytonn coz he is selling he is OK in my books. @vvs...well put. @Horton, my apologies. My comments in the future on any investment of interest to me will be centred around objective analysis. ππ½ππ½ Mimi siwachi kupiga hii nyani. Siamini hao watu wa Cytonn management hata kidogo I'm with you here. I've never trusted this company and I wondered why they were marketing so aggressively over the past 2 years. And now I know why, I only invest in management I trust and I have never trusted in this one from day 1. My song for Cytonn; "Can't touch this".
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[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! It's been 3 years since wazuans prophesied the fall of Cytonn. In those 3 years, they could have received a return of over 60% if they re-invested their interest+capital If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Angelica _ann wrote:[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! Nice. Wasn't aware there was such a matket for off-plan at that price range, but maybe it is an unfulfilled market.
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jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! Nice. Wasn't aware there was such a matket for off-plan at that price range, but maybe it is an unfulfilled market. My take, I think when these guys were working at Britam, they are likely to have managed a survey that identified this market. Probably they took that to the Board & wazee being wazee - traditional- refuse to accept the results and/or approve it's funding/finance to the project. The wazee didn't believe there are young guys with serious cash, always looking down upon 'us' - they didn't appreciate the shift in the market (including deals aka stolen money). This mboys & girls knew this market existed and have since serviced it. My 2 cents from the county of Awiti. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! Nice. Wasn't aware there was such a matket for off-plan at that price range, but maybe it is an unfulfilled market. My take, I think when these guys were working at Britam, they are likely to have managed a survey that identified this market. Probably they took that to the Board & wazee being wazee - traditional- refuse to accept the results and/or approve it's funding/finance to the project. The wazee didn't believe there are young guys with serious cash, always looking down upon 'us' - they didn't appreciate the shift in the market (including deals aka stolen money). This mboys & girls knew this market existed and have since serviced it. My 2 cents from the county of Awiti. 20% of applewood has been sold and yes the buyers are real people. π
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Horton wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! Nice. Wasn't aware there was such a matket for off-plan at that price range, but maybe it is an unfulfilled market. My take, I think when these guys were working at Britam, they are likely to have managed a survey that identified this market. Probably they took that to the Board & wazee being wazee - traditional- refuse to accept the results and/or approve it's funding/finance to the project. The wazee didn't believe there are young guys with serious cash, always looking down upon 'us' - they didn't appreciate the shift in the market (including deals aka stolen money). This mboys & girls knew this market existed and have since serviced it. My 2 cents from the county of Awiti. 20% of applewood has been sold and yes the buyers are real people. π Nice. Awaiting completion and occupation of the Ruaka development. Like GCR said. The track record is the issue. Not that anyone doubts them, but results are what matter. On a separate note, I grew up near Amara Ridge area (10 min. Walking distance from Bomas of Kenya) and pretty sure less than half of the properties are occupied. Will check again this weekend and update.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Horton wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:[quote=jmbada]New Cytonn news.....can they move such property? https://www.businessdail...4956-sjckq6z/index.html[/quote] Yes, coz their target market very high net-worth individuals. Kshs. 120m is pocket change to them cc. @swenani & @ Horton. Cytonn are moving on strong and stronger while naysayers shout themselves horse!!! Nice. Wasn't aware there was such a matket for off-plan at that price range, but maybe it is an unfulfilled market. My take, I think when these guys were working at Britam, they are likely to have managed a survey that identified this market. Probably they took that to the Board & wazee being wazee - traditional- refuse to accept the results and/or approve it's funding/finance to the project. The wazee didn't believe there are young guys with serious cash, always looking down upon 'us' - they didn't appreciate the shift in the market (including deals aka stolen money). This mboys & girls knew this market existed and have since serviced it. My 2 cents from the county of Awiti. 20% of applewood has been sold and yes the buyers are real people. π Cytonn is trash my friend. TRASH. OK, let me clarify. Cytonn Real Estate Department i trash. Tell me which of their construction site has had any activity since August 2018. Any! From Alma, Amara, The Ridge, RiverRun, etc etc etc. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.β β Rashi
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