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radiomast
#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:41:59 PM
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The fact that Muzungu demanded that Africans must have kipande is far outweighed by the fact that they ensured that your parents and grandparents were educated. Africans went to good schools like Maseno, Alliance and so forth. In my home area for example, the local muzungu chief would actually come to the village and admonish parents who were not sending their children to school. This is not a joke. Oustanding students went to good schools on merit. Not through connections and bribes.

Many of the schools that exist today were built by mkoloni. Many hospitals were built by mkoloni. Much of the infrastructure including the main railway, roads etc were built by them. Nearly all the stadiums and sports grounds were built by them even the ones in Eastlands like Jericho Sports ground. They built social halls in Eastlands, free movie halls etc. . .....................

Mwafrika for his part has focused on grabbing public land. Kill his fellow Mwafrika. Loot the treasury. Sow tribal divisions. Steal elections. Foment violence. Kill political opponents. Insult other tribes. Discriminate against other tribes. Defend corrupt people from your tribe. ......................
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hardwood
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:43:11 PM
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hardwood wrote:
2012 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Germany's Minister for African affairs believes African countries should lease out land to bodies like EU and World Bank for 50 yrs. These bodies will then build new cities and run them in order to boost economic growth and create jobs. These cities will not be under host country's laws but will have their own independent ones

The idea is to create Hong Kong like enclaves. Hong Kong was under British rule up to 1997 when it was reverted to China.

AU has rejected this idea. Its envoy for infrastructure believes Africa will experience an economic miracle by 2063
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46017551


Why don't we lease them the uninhabitable parts of Noth Eastern?

But this whole argument means they know what to do with the land and we don't yet information is freely available and we have Kenyans and Africans who have schooled in those developed nations but can't bring the knowledge back. It also means our governments are a joke.


FYI 75% of the beef (and goats) you consume in nairobi comes from north eastern. Those lands mint billions each year via the cattle industry. The lands have their owners and are not "uninhabitable".


Infact quite a big % of the livestock from north eastern is sourced from somalia particularly southern somalia. Cattle are moved from afmadow in somalia to the garissa livestock market and then onwards to nairobi slaughter houses.


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radiomast
#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:44:24 PM
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Also the Ukoloni that the German is proposing is vastly different from what pertained before 1963. Its a more benign Ukoloni. Like the French one. Note that the French still hold on to some of their colonies like the Islands of Re Union, Mayotte, Caledonia, Guadaloupe, French Guyana and so forth. Those natives are much better off under French rule than they would be under Mwafrika. They are not agitating for independence because they know that Mwafrika will ruin everything.
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masukuma
#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:40:34 PM
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radiomast wrote:
The fact that Muzungu demanded that Africans must have kipande is far outweighed by the fact that they ensured that your parents and grandparents were educated. Africans went to good schools like Maseno, Alliance and so forth. In my home area for example, the local muzungu chief would actually come to the village and admonish parents who were not sending their children to school. This is not a joke. Oustanding students went to good schools on merit. Not through connections and bribes.

Many of the schools that exist today were built by mkoloni. Many hospitals were built by mkoloni. Much of the infrastructure including the main railway, roads etc were built by them. Nearly all the stadiums and sports grounds were built by them even the ones in Eastlands like Jericho Sports ground. They built social halls in Eastlands, free movie halls etc. . .....................

Mwafrika for his part has focused on grabbing public land. Kill his fellow Mwafrika. Loot the treasury. Sow tribal divisions. Steal elections. Foment violence. Kill political opponents. Insult other tribes. Discriminate against other tribes. Defend corrupt people from your tribe. ......................

We agree with you... totally! It happened that we took over... jipange as it is... we are not going back there! be responsible and not in a hurry - even watoto wako wanaweza jenga kenya!
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masukuma
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:44:51 PM
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radiomast wrote:
Also the Ukoloni that the German is proposing is vastly different from what pertained before 1963. Its a more benign Ukoloni. Like the French one. Note that the French still hold on to some of their colonies like the Islands of Re Union, Mayotte, Caledonia, Guadaloupe, French Guyana and so forth. Those natives are much better off under French rule than they would be under Mwafrika. They are not agitating for independence because they know that Mwafrika will ruin everything.

we are not interested in joining them...
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masukuma
#26 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:03:33 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@Mathokoma, @hardestwoord, what if, in our negotiation with EU, we establish laws in those enclaves encouraging equality but guaranteeing host country citizens of jobs?

Let's prosecute the idea from the point of view of a good humanitarian developer of a new city like Konza not a racist overlord like the Brits were.

From a political point of view, the President who approves this will lose power.

we are simply not interested in joining the cult of people who worship economic growth over everything else... wakae huko kwao wakitaka kuja wakuje kama watalii, wawekezaji and everything else... THIS IS BLACK MAN COUNTRY. we are not going to allow them to create enclaves like Orania for themselves hapa... we are not interested kabisa - we will do it ourselves even if it takes 200 years. let's stop being irresponsible.
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madhaquer
#27 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:52:01 PM
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All those in support of the idea of those charter cities should start by understanding that there is nothing that comes for free. @radiomast can try to paint a rosy picture of colonialism but history and the facts available prove that wrong.

Let the Germans come do business. To expect free land to 'build a city' with the intention of curbing immigration to Europe is ridiculous.
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radiomast
#28 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:56:53 PM
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I think @masukuma is having a meltdown because the truth hit him in the face and he cannot handle the truth. The truth is that Mwafrika is useless and we would be better off under colonial rule.

But maskuma you need to calm down. None of the stuff being discussed on this thread is going to happen. Its just hypothetical.

Even the British would not be interested in taking over this sheet-hole of ours. They left us a pristine country and we ruined it with our greed and sycophancy

But if you were to have an election, I am certain that a significant number of Kenyans maybe even over 50% would select colonial rule over the none-sense we have now.

Kenya has not had a legitimate election since 2002. Kenyan elections are determined by the elites who have access to the election server. We really don't have self-determination. Only those who have benefited from the election thefts are happy.

In fact Kenya has not had a duly elected president for most of its history. We have mostly had one party dictators or people who just stole elections.

Thats why there was talk of splitting the country. Many Kenyans are quite frankly fed up with living on neo-colonialism and fed up with living with the constant theft of public resources while they are asked to pay more taxes.

Even that talk of splitting the country is just hypothetical like this thread. It will not happen. But its a reflection of how people feel.
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radiomast
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:06:59 PM
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madhaquer wrote:
All those in support of the idea of those charter cities should start by understanding that there is nothing that comes for free. @radiomast can try to paint a rosy picture of colonialism but history and the facts available prove that wrong.

Let the Germans come do business. To expect free land to 'build a city' with the intention of curbing immigration to Europe is ridiculous.


I havent painted a rosy picture. I am saying we would be better off had Muzungu stayed longer.

The evidence suggests that countries where Muzungu stayed longer tend to function better
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masukuma
#30 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:23:52 PM
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radiomast wrote:
I think @masukuma is having a meltdown because the truth hit him in the face and he cannot handle the truth. The truth is that Mwafrika is useless and we would be better off under colonial rule.

But maskuma you need to calm down. None of the stuff being discussed on this thread is going to happen. Its just hypothetical.

Even the British would not be interested in taking over this sheet-hole of ours. They left us a pristine country and we ruined it with our greed and sycophancy

But if you were to have an election, I am certain that a significant number of Kenyans maybe even over 50% would select colonial rule over the none-sense we have now.

Kenya has not had a legitimate election since 2002. Kenyan elections are determined by the elites who have access to the election server. We really don't have self-determination. Only those who have benefited from the election thefts are happy.

In fact Kenya has not had a duly elected president for most of its history. We have mostly had one party dictators or people who just stole elections.

Thats why there was talk of splitting the country. Many Kenyans are quite frankly fed up with living on neo-colonialism and fed up with living with the constant theft of public resources while they are asked to pay more taxes.

Even that talk of splitting the country is just hypothetical like this thread. It will not happen. But its a reflection of how people feel.


When will you take responsibility? you are as human as the mzungu you are praising... jipange...convince your neighbours to do the same. be responsible - even wazunguz did not start like this and have killed themselves more. so stop being a child and accept that it's your role and your children's role to make this place better and not spend energy in engaging in counterfactuals... let's just agree... IT WON'T HAPPEN - so start from that.. Mzungu harudi hapa especially sio yule anatuambia anataka kuja kutusaidia... NEVER! start from there!
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