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kawi254
#41 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:14:29 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??


1. 430 does not assure him of Alliance;
2. Alliance is not a school. It is 100 years track record and history;
3. If 100k per year at Alliance is a challenge, take the scholarship.


We talked to someone who understands the admission process and he assured the boy will get his slot at alliance. If you were to list the top 300 boys in kcpe, 430 will definitely be there. Even if they had all chosen alliance as first choice, our boy still gets his slot.


Not guaranteed. Alliance will pick 2 or 3 kids from every district. The kid could be No. 30 countrywide but No. 10 in Nairobi hence missing Alliance... Worse if they implement the quota system skewed to favor those from public schools
Angelica _ann
#42 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:20:39 AM
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kawi254 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??


1. 430 does not assure him of Alliance;
2. Alliance is not a school. It is 100 years track record and history;
3. If 100k per year at Alliance is a challenge, take the scholarship.


We talked to someone who understands the admission process and he assured the boy will get his slot at alliance. If you were to list the top 300 boys in kcpe, 430 will definitely be there. Even if they had all chosen alliance as first choice, our boy still gets his slot.


Not guaranteed. Alliance will pick 2 or 3 kids from every district. The kid could be No. 30 countrywide but No. 10 in Nairobi hence missing Alliance... Worse if they implement the quota system skewed to favor those from public schools


Exactly a kid of 430 could miss on Alliance and another one who got lower marks upto 400 is admitted coz of quota distribution - Urban vs Rural vs Arid/Semi Arid areas vs Marginalized.
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Queen
#43 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:21:34 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??


1. 430 does not assure him of Alliance;
2. Alliance is not a school. It is 100 years track record and history;
3. If 100k per year at Alliance is a challenge, take the scholarship.


We talked to someone who understands the admission process and he assured the boy will get his slot at alliance. If you were to list the top 300 boys in kcpe, 430 will definitely be there. Even if they had all chosen alliance as first choice, our boy still gets his slot.


It does not work like that. The Ministry of Education has already stated that the top five students of either gender in each sub-county shall get the school of their choice. What this means is that if say a boy scores 430 marks and he is ranked 6th in his sub-county, he would miss out the school of his choice but shall be allocated a school of a similar stature in this case, Mangu.
hardwood
#44 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:20:51 PM
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madhaquer wrote:
Liv wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??


Alliance it is for formation and life skills.


I support this.... and I was at Alliance. He will discover his other talents and skills.

In the private school, that wants to make a name, it will be purely academic pursuit and nothing much.





At every school, a child will discover other talents and skills.

At Alliance, it is about being with peers. Other young adults who achieved the same academically. They will challenge him/her academically. Whether the child excels in extra curricular activities depends on several other factors. There will definitely be students from very diverse backgrounds which is perhaps a positive thing.

At the private school. You really need to check if they will be other peers and if the child will be challenged to compete. The scholarship could be more for marketing the school than for the benefit of the child.

The other thing to consider is the network of associates and contacts that the child builds which goes far and beyond the 4 years they will be in the school.


Exactly. The scholarship has a hidden agenda. These private schools try all tricks to woo bright students so that the school mean can improve and hence help them attract more students. Basically the school uses the student as a tool in the marketing strategy.

Also the only private school that can come close to Alliance academic-wise is Moi kabarak (and I doubt it's the one giving the scholarship) and given a choice between the two, the obvious choice is alliance. So I don't know which this good private school @frm2011 is referring to. All I know is that alot of untested newbies eg Nova have been visiting top primary schools to try woo the top students while marketing "holistic education".
hardwood
#45 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:24:47 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??


1. 430 does not assure him of Alliance;
2. Alliance is not a school. It is 100 years track record and history;
3. If 100k per year at Alliance is a challenge, take the scholarship.


We talked to someone who understands the admission process and he assured the boy will get his slot at alliance. If you were to list the top 300 boys in kcpe, 430 will definitely be there. Even if they had all chosen alliance as first choice, our boy still gets his slot.


Not guaranteed. Alliance will pick 2 or 3 kids from every district. The kid could be No. 30 countrywide but No. 10 in Nairobi hence missing Alliance... Worse if they implement the quota system skewed to favor those from public schools


Exactly a kid of 430 could miss on Alliance and another one who got lower marks upto 400 is admitted coz of quota distribution - Urban vs Rural vs Arid/Semi Arid areas vs Marginalized.


Some are even admitted with 380 due to the quota system, so he should pray very hard that he gets to alliance with 430.
FRM2011
#46 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:34:26 PM
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hardwood wrote:
madhaquer wrote:
Liv wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??


Alliance it is for formation and life skills.


I support this.... and I was at Alliance. He will discover his other talents and skills.

In the private school, that wants to make a name, it will be purely academic pursuit and nothing much.





At every school, a child will discover other talents and skills.

At Alliance, it is about being with peers. Other young adults who achieved the same academically. They will challenge him/her academically. Whether the child excels in extra curricular activities depends on several other factors. There will definitely be students from very diverse backgrounds which is perhaps a positive thing.

At the private school. You really need to check if they will be other peers and if the child will be challenged to compete. The scholarship could be more for marketing the school than for the benefit of the child.

The other thing to consider is the network of associates and contacts that the child builds which goes far and beyond the 4 years they will be in the school.


Exactly. The scholarship has a hidden agenda. These private schools try all tricks to woo bright students so that the school mean can improve and hence help them attract more students. Basically the school uses the student as a tool in the marketing strategy.

Also the only private school that can come close to Alliance academic-wise is Moi kabarak (and I doubt it's the one giving the scholarship) and given a choice between the two, the obvious choice is alliance. So I don't know which this good private school @frm2011 is referring to. All I know is that alot of untested newbies eg Nova have been visiting top primary schools to try woo the top students while marketing "holistic education".


@hardwood, I cannot mention the school's name because they have already extended the offer to the boy. They noticed him during a mathematics contest before the exam. The deal was for him to get 420 and above.
FRM2011
#47 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:40:15 PM
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Interesting perperspectives about the form 1 admission process. Please keep them coming tuelimishane.

Last year, a kid in nairobi with 419 got his alliance slot. Another girl with 421 got her kenya high slot. I am told most of the top schools had their cut-off between 405-415.

Marginalized or not, I think it might be hard to get a slot at alliance with 390.
hardwood
#48 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:52:49 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Interesting perperspectives about the form 1 admission process. Please keep them coming tuelimishane.

Last year, a kid in nairobi with 419 got his alliance slot. Another girl with 421 got her kenya high slot. I am told most of the top schools had their cut-off between 405-415.

Marginalized or not, I think it might be hard to get a slot at alliance with 390.


I wish him the very best and hope he gets the slot but if he has worked so hard to get to alliance, the very top school in the country, it would be unfair to him for the parent to decide to take him elsewhere. The scholarship offer shouldn't cloud the parent's judgement. 4yrs from now the parent will be very happy that the kid attended alliance.
hardwood
#49 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:58:26 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Interesting perperspectives about the form 1 admission process. Please keep them coming tuelimishane.

Last year, a kid in nairobi with 419 got his alliance slot. Another girl with 421 got her kenya high slot. I am told most of the top schools had their cut-off between 405-415.

Marginalized or not, I think it might be hard to get a slot at alliance with 390.


The quota system was relaxed because it was very unfair especially to kids from private schools who scored >400 and were being denied places in national schools. I think that currently everyone with over 400 goes to national school. That said in some sub-counties there is low performance in public schools and a 390 might be among the top performers and get a place at alliance.
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#50 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:00:05 PM
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Marginalized or not, I think it might be hard to get a slot at alliance with 390.

Back in our days(exam out of 700), some districts would have students admitted to top national schools with minimum 570 marks

NEP guys would be admitted at 490! Even 470!!

There would be no difference in performance once admitted between the NEP kid and the Elite Junior kid in performance. In fact, many of those sub-500 marks kids from marginalised areas became top performers!

So yes, depending on performance in those marginalised counties, sub 400 marks could get a slot.
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#51 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:32:36 PM
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I think its asking too much when the private school in question is not mentioned unless its just an imaginary scenario.

That said, I would be of a contrary opinion, if the said private school has good connections it might be a better choice because the kid might have access to a further scholarship to a good university outside the country.

Some private schools especially the good ones, provide very good exposure to the kids, including foreign trips and access to better facilities and conducive environments.

Plus financially the money you save during the 4 years, around 400-500 thousands can at least put the kid through a private university.
Euge
#52 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:50:43 PM
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Euge
#53 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:52:21 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??

Depends on which school it is. And how it compares to Alliance
Personally I do not like Alliance. One time I went for a prize giving day. And man, those boys were dirty. And to think that they were at their best. I wondered how the dorms are in terms of cleanliness.
Lord, thank you!
Queen
#54 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:26:05 PM
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Euge wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??

Depends on which school it is. And how it compares to Alliance
Personally I do not like Alliance. One time I went for a prize giving day. And man, those boys were dirty. And to think that they were at their best. I wondered how the dorms are in terms of cleanliness.


This is totally untrue!

Was a parent in that school for four years and never witnessed that.
Queen
#55 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:37:29 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
I think its asking too much when the private school in question is not mentioned unless its just an imaginary scenario.

That said, I would be of a contrary opinion, if the said private school has good connections it might be a better choice because the kid might have access to a further scholarship to a good university outside the country.

Some private schools especially the good ones, provide very good exposure to the kids, including foreign trips and access to better facilities and conducive environments.

Plus financially the money you save during the 4 years, around 400-500 thousands can at least put the kid through a private university.


Please explain/substantiate the merits or lack thereof of studying in a foreign university vis-a-vis a local one.
Fullykenyan
#56 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 5:58:38 PM
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Queen wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
I think its asking too much when the private school in question is not mentioned unless its just an imaginary scenario.

That said, I would be of a contrary opinion, if the said private school has good connections it might be a better choice because the kid might have access to a further scholarship to a good university outside the country.

Some private schools especially the good ones, provide very good exposure to the kids, including foreign trips and access to better facilities and conducive environments.

Plus financially the money you save during the 4 years, around 400-500 thousands can at least put the kid through a private university.


Please explain/substantiate the merits or lack thereof of studying in a foreign university vis-a-vis a local one.


Foreign universities offer something different than what most of our universities dont, and not to mention exposure to people from different countries,cultures and different ways of doing things. However, i would discourage one to fly abroad for a bachelor degree. It would be better as from master upwards.
Euge
#57 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:45:51 PM
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Queen wrote:
Euge wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Hallo wazuans,

Lets say your son had 430 marks, and his 1st choice was Alliance, which means he is assured of admission at Alliance. Then a good private school offers him full scholarship for 4 years. The normal school fees for the private school is in the range of 300K per year.

Would you take the offer ??

Depends on which school it is. And how it compares to Alliance
Personally I do not like Alliance. One time I went for a prize giving day. And man, those boys were dirty. And to think that they were at their best. I wondered how the dorms are in terms of cleanliness.


This is totally untrue!

Was a parent in that school for four years and never witnessed that.


@Queen, I am not telling tales here. I am writing about what I saw. They boy who finally left Alliance coz of bullying is now in 1st year at USIU.
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Euge
#58 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:47:54 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Queen wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
I think its asking too much when the private school in question is not mentioned unless its just an imaginary scenario.

That said, I would be of a contrary opinion, if the said private school has good connections it might be a better choice because the kid might have access to a further scholarship to a good university outside the country.

Some private schools especially the good ones, provide very good exposure to the kids, including foreign trips and access to better facilities and conducive environments.

Plus financially the money you save during the 4 years, around 400-500 thousands can at least put the kid through a private university.


Please explain/substantiate the merits or lack thereof of studying in a foreign university vis-a-vis a local one.


Foreign universities offer something different than what most of our universities dont, and not to mention exposure to people from different countries,cultures and different ways of doing things. However, i would discourage one to fly abroad for a bachelor degree. It would be better as from master upwards.


Why?
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washiku
#59 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:48:14 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ngogoyo wrote:
ZZE123 wrote:
what is the SMS number to check results?


send index number to 20076. charges kshs 25 per sms


The service is working good.


25bob x 1 million students = Ksh 25m pap.


Unfortunately it does not work that way.Over three quaters do not use the service.Poverty is real.




Hehehe...That's how overzealous Business Development and Products guys get's their senior management to approve spends on some products...
washiku
#60 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:33:11 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
The home environment is more important than any school the child goes to. In my opinion the best school is a day school where the teachers show up to teach and then the child goes home.

The people who think highly of Alliance only know of the few prominent individuals not the many average ones and definitely not the many dysfunctional alcoholics, university dropouts and Mathare patients. A 14-15 year old is not a man, he is a child who needs stability and guidance. Many Alliance parents abdicate this responsibility because they think their child has arrived.

FRM2011, you are a reasonable man. If the parents of this child are looking to you for guidance let them know that the child has not grown up just because they have done well in KCPE. If he ends up going to Alliance be sure to visit as often as you can to encourage and talk to him. Visiting is not just about taking food or going to admire him and praise him but a time to find out what is really going on with his life, what his fears and anxieties are and to encourage ...... to foster the courage within him to face challenges but also to know that he has parents and other adults who care about his well being.


This is deep man. The boy's mom is a single mother so I am a mentor to this kid.

My other worry with the private school is discipline and specifically how the school management handles the same. There is a case in court of a parent whose daughter was bullied excessively at nova academy. The school was not willing to take any drastic action against the culprits. Eventually, the parent withdrew the daughter Rom the school.


Nova have really turned around that case and said the kid attempted suicide due to pressures from home. It gonna get messy, sadly.
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