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Konza City - is it a good investment
wukan
#71 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:52:17 AM
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Kate_Mbarire wrote:
wukan wrote:
[quote=Kate_Mbarire]

Dear Wukan..Thank you for being a real estate genius!I have been following you silently in wazua and really appreciate your input.Ngara is a GREAT investment....where are these bedsitters...who is the developer so that I can explore investing?And lastly;what are your thoughts about the upcoming Edermann Chinese who are also breaking ground to build massive units in ngara?They are the same greatwall Chinese.


Kumbe there are so many silent followerssmile smile Google city view suites. On Edermann they were the first to pioneer high-rise residential in Pangani and they had bargain prices like 2.8m for 2 bd. They are now planning 8 blocks of 34 floors so I expect them to bring the units at lower price than the GoK/county affordable housing. That Ngara area will experience some robust real estate investment.
Hi Wukan.Thanks again for the reference.I called city view suites and the plans and the location for the ngara bedsitters is good.

However they're not disclosing who the developer is,it also seems that this is the first project for the developer....what do you think?Would you still trust such a development which it seems like this is the first development for this developer...and considering these are off plan houses?]


Normally get these things in my inbox. It doesn't have such a commanding view of the city but looks complete
Quote:
A worthwhile investment, West Suites is Nairobi’s answer to the affordable living concept in the heart of Nairobi West. The project has 168 modern, self contained studio apartments on 13 floors.

link

Angelica _ann
#72 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:16:19 PM
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Nice investment but in a squeezed area yawa!!!! Pale nyuma Ciderwood (formerly Zinos)!!!!! Ok!!!

let me enjoy life in the county setup.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
wukan
#73 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:43:58 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Nice investment but in a squeezed area yawa!!!! Pale nyuma Ciderwood (formerly Zinos)!!!!! Ok!!!

let me enjoy life in the county setup.


At the rate people are giving birth in this town, we just have to squeeze them in the sky. We can't afford to ruin the country side. They will be no food to feed all the mouths if we convert every place to real estate.

I was totally shocked when I took a drive to Kikuyu, thogoto, gikambura, limuru. it was all bungalows, maisonettes, some flats. Horrible!!! what is happening to farming land
maka
#74 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:55:04 PM
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wukan wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Nice investment but in a squeezed area yawa!!!! Pale nyuma Ciderwood (formerly Zinos)!!!!! Ok!!!

let me enjoy life in the county setup.


At the rate people are giving birth in this town, we just have to squeeze them in the sky. We can't afford to ruin the country side. They will be no food to feed all the mouths if we convert every place to real estate.

I was totally shocked when I took a drive to Kikuyu, thogoto, gikambura, limuru. it was all bungalows, maisonettes, some flats. Horrible!!! what is happening to farming land


But we still have a loooooootttttt of land outside Nairobi... Watu wahame tumejazana huku ka MA kondoo...
possunt quia posse videntur
wukan
#75 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:37:46 PM
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maka wrote:
wukan wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Nice investment but in a squeezed area yawa!!!! Pale nyuma Ciderwood (formerly Zinos)!!!!! Ok!!!

let me enjoy life in the county setup.


At the rate people are giving birth in this town, we just have to squeeze them in the sky. We can't afford to ruin the country side. They will be no food to feed all the mouths if we convert every place to real estate.

I was totally shocked when I took a drive to Kikuyu, thogoto, gikambura, limuru. it was all bungalows, maisonettes, some flats. Horrible!!! what is happening to farming land


But we still have a loooooootttttt of land outside Nairobi... Watu wahame tumejazana huku ka MA kondoo...


Looooooots of land in the British countryside but watu wamejazwa kama kondoo in the cities. Remember the whole of kenya can fit it into Tokyo
sereearth
#76 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2018 1:11:28 AM
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With all the analysis, i'd agree with what many of you have said. Getting the right location is the Key to a superior investment, followed by involvement of right people who setup the project strategically. @Country Girl, allow me to give you some critical input, in regard to Konza City and surrounding area (such as Kisaju).

First: Follow the money
Approx KES 40 billion has been agreed to be financed by an Italian financial company for phase 1 of Konza city, and the construction has already commenced by an Italian contractor on 3rd August 2018. I am not sure how the recent rejection of the National Budget bill 2018/19 affects the Konza city. In short this is a boost to the project.

Second: Due diligence
sparkly mentioned something very important, that is:
Quote:
check the master plan of the area ... zoning and density restrictions, main infrastructure works, public utilities etc

There is no point of buying a land where land is located under the agricultural zone and then expecting to get a change of use to Commercial/residence! It will just not work out for you in terms of future productivity/price appreciation.

Third: Be careful of the hype
Konza may have distorted the local prices, so go somewhere close by, like the nearest town such as Isinya or Kisaju! It's in between Nairobi & Konza. As Hardwood wrote:
Quote:
Most of the small towns are deficient in good housing. You can get an acre or 2 at a good price and build a "residential estate"

I suggest buying a 1/8 or 1/4 plot in, for example Kisaju Town, provided it is under the right zoning for future productivity. The key word here is Town (Location Location Location!) This is because if you want to collect about 1m in rent each month after the next 15 years, try finding a potential economic hub now! In short, don't be completely dependent on Konza, it will move at it's own phase. This is best put by sqft who wrote:
Quote:
His point was that you can never go wrong investing in land within the city and suburbs when you are young since the city will continue growing exponentially


Fourth: Best use of the Land
There is nothing to add here because Angelica _ann explains it better:
Quote:
We must start seeing land as a factor of production and stop focusing on this 40 by 80 speculation plots crazy *curse word' that is the fixation of majority middle class in Nairobi.

Get a 50x100 plot, but you must think beyond speculation. For example can you build a 4 storey building on it immediately if you wished (of course you would build it 8 years to come). Moreover, Kate_Mbarire mentioned
Quote:
West Suites is Nairobi’s answer to the affordable living concept in the heart of Nairobi West. The project has 168 modern, self contained studio apartments on 13 floors.
I would agree to her to a certain extant, but these homes of about the 250sqft or 25sqm is just not what a growing family wants!! A growing family will need a much bigger spaces and at the same time affordable and near an economic activity. So, in this case Konza sounds nice, but not reliable until things speed up exponentially, thus making places such as Kisaju/Isinya (Nearest growing towns near Konza) appropriate.

SOLUTION & Existing Projects @Country Girl:

For example Sere park is an entertainment zone with mix residence for middle class income owners/families and a great spot for premium & affordable apartments for professionals looking to buy their first property. The location details of the project are:
· Project site is on Tarmac of Namanga Road, in Kisaju town. Kisaju is 15Km ahead of Kintengela Town.
· Approx. 27Km to Konza City.
· Approx. 20Km Proximity to new proposed Nairobi-Mombasa Express highway in Dec 2018.
· Approx. 5km Proximity to new Isinya - Ngong road (This road helps in Avoiding Mombasa road traffic during peak hours in the future).
· Approx. 35km from Jomo Kenyatta International Airport.
· Approx. 50Km from Nairobi CBD.
· Less congestion and affordable land prices relatively compared to Nairobi CBD.
· Proposed cities coming up nearby in a 55Km radius includes; Konza Technology City in 5000 acres, Green Isinya city in 1000 acres & Newtown city in 1000 acres.
· With 3 Universities nearby, including RAF International University, KAG university Kenya & The East African University

And here is sere park's official facebook group for latest updates. They are still on the planning phase and require some feedback from the public: https://www.facebook.com/groups/484313738656031/

Most importantly @Country Girl, if you are looking to buy a small plot i.e. like 50x100ft in a controlled estate in a strategic location, with the purpose to build in the future, near sere park in Kisaju town, you can email their team on sereparkkenya@gmail.com for more info
MugundaMan
#77 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2018 8:24:37 AM
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Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
sereearth wrote:
With all the analysis, i'd agree with what many of you have said. Getting the right location is the Key to a superior investment, followed by involvement of right people who setup the project strategically. @Country Girl, allow me to give you some critical input, in regard to Konza City and surrounding area (such as Kisaju).

First: Follow the money
Approx KES 40 billion has been agreed to be financed by an Italian financial company for phase 1 of Konza city, and the construction has already commenced by an Italian contractor on 3rd August 2018. I am not sure how the recent rejection of the National Budget bill 2018/19 affects the Konza city. In short this is a boost to the project.

Second: Due diligence
sparkly mentioned something very important, that is:
Quote:
check the master plan of the area ... zoning and density restrictions, main infrastructure works, public utilities etc

There is no point of buying a land where land is located under the agricultural zone and then expecting to get a change of use to Commercial/residence! It will just not work out for you in terms of future productivity/price appreciation.

Third: Be careful of the hype
Konza may have distorted the local prices, so go somewhere close by, like the nearest town such as Isinya or Kisaju! It's in between Nairobi & Konza. As Hardwood wrote:
Quote:
Most of the small towns are deficient in good housing. You can get an acre or 2 at a good price and build a "residential estate"

I suggest buying a 1/8 or 1/4 plot in, for example Kisaju Town, provided it is under the right zoning for future productivity. The key word here is Town (Location Location Location!) This is because if you want to collect about 1m in rent each month after the next 15 years, try finding a potential economic hub now! In short, don't be completely dependent on Konza, it will move at it's own phase. This is best put by sqft who wrote:
Quote:
His point was that you can never go wrong investing in land within the city and suburbs when you are young since the city will continue growing exponentially


Fourth: Best use of the Land
There is nothing to add here because Angelica _ann explains it better:
Quote:
We must start seeing land as a factor of production and stop focusing on this 40 by 80 speculation plots crazy *curse word' that is the fixation of majority middle class in Nairobi.

Get a 50x100 plot, but you must think beyond speculation. For example can you build a 4 storey building on it immediately if you wished (of course you would build it 8 years to come). Moreover, Kate_Mbarire mentioned
Quote:
West Suites is Nairobi’s answer to the affordable living concept in the heart of Nairobi West. The project has 168 modern, self contained studio apartments on 13 floors.
I would agree to her to a certain extant, but these homes of about the 250sqft or 25sqm is just not what a growing family wants!! A growing family will need a much bigger spaces and at the same time affordable and near an economic activity. So, in this case Konza sounds nice, but not reliable until things speed up exponentially, thus making places such as Kisaju/Isinya (Nearest growing towns near Konza) appropriate.

SOLUTION & Existing Projects @Country Girl:

For example Sere park is an entertainment zone with mix residence for middle class income owners/families and a great spot for premium & affordable apartments for professionals looking to buy their first property. The location details of the project are:
· Project site is on Tarmac of Namanga Road, in Kisaju town. Kisaju is 15Km ahead of Kintengela Town.
· Approx. 27Km to Konza City.
· Approx. 20Km Proximity to new proposed Nairobi-Mombasa Express highway in Dec 2018.
· Approx. 5km Proximity to new Isinya - Ngong road (This road helps in Avoiding Mombasa road traffic during peak hours in the future).
· Approx. 35km from Jomo Kenyatta International Airport.
· Approx. 50Km from Nairobi CBD.
· Less congestion and affordable land prices relatively compared to Nairobi CBD.
· Proposed cities coming up nearby in a 55Km radius includes; Konza Technology City in 5000 acres, Green Isinya city in 1000 acres & Newtown city in 1000 acres.
· With 3 Universities nearby, including RAF International University, KAG university Kenya & The East African University

And here is sere park's official facebook group for latest updates. They are still on the planning phase and require some feedback from the public: https://www.facebook.com/groups/484313738656031/

Most importantly @Country Girl, if you are looking to buy a small plot i.e. like 50x100ft in a controlled estate in a strategic location, with the purpose to build in the future, near sere park in Kisaju town, you can email their team on sereparkkenya@gmail.com for more info


hehehe all roads lead to marketing serepark I see. But that is your right. I disagree with you on investing in urban areas only. That is a huge fallacy. Kisaju shopping centre and Isinya town are not exactly anything to write home about and if the poor planning continues they will mushroom into eyesore towns that will soon have massive slums (like the ones I am seeing mushrooming on the outskirts of Isinya town on the road towards Konza. At least in the hinterlands it is mostly controlled residential estates and farms, unspoiled with almost zero chance of slums developing around them (for now)
hardwood
#78 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:28:12 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Swenani wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Konza is becoming reality soon


This one died a long time ago


1. One thing I have learnt about government projects... The move slowly but surely. If GOK says it will build a pipeline, be sure it will.

2. One thing I have learnt about projects generally... Infrastructure follows the people, not the other way around. GOK will not build a road, connect power, water and wifi to a remote place to encourage settlement. However, if you build your settlement in a remote place, GOK will build a road, connect power, water and wifi to your remote Kibanda. Same thing with Konza. Once investors who are allocated parcels start constructing, Project will move at un-imaginable speed.

3. A good example is upperhill. 15 years ago, upperhill was just KASNEB, Rahimtulla and a few residential buildings (some converted into restaurants) with just one street through to KNG. Right now Upperhill is a highrise city within a city with an excellent road power and water network.


expound on what excellent is? Upperhill is f***ed up. How can you spend more than 2 hrs to exit upperhill?


Roads are good, traffic is bad.


Coca Cola, EU mission abandon Upperhill. What's the future of upperhill as the choice office location?


https://www.businessdail...38246-htvv7r/index.html

https://www.nation.co.ke...0324-c196u9z/index.html

wukan
#79 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:52:54 AM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,658
hardwood wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Swenani wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Konza is becoming reality soon


This one died a long time ago


1. One thing I have learnt about government projects... The move slowly but surely. If GOK says it will build a pipeline, be sure it will.

2. One thing I have learnt about projects generally... Infrastructure follows the people, not the other way around. GOK will not build a road, connect power, water and wifi to a remote place to encourage settlement. However, if you build your settlement in a remote place, GOK will build a road, connect power, water and wifi to your remote Kibanda. Same thing with Konza. Once investors who are allocated parcels start constructing, Project will move at un-imaginable speed.

3. A good example is upperhill. 15 years ago, upperhill was just KASNEB, Rahimtulla and a few residential buildings (some converted into restaurants) with just one street through to KNG. Right now Upperhill is a highrise city within a city with an excellent road power and water network.


expound on what excellent is? Upperhill is f***ed up. How can you spend more than 2 hrs to exit upperhill?


Roads are good, traffic is bad.


Coca Cola, EU mission abandon Upperhill. What's the future of upperhill as the choice office location?


https://www.businessdail...38246-htvv7r/index.html

https://www.nation.co.ke...0324-c196u9z/index.html



The way workers rush out of upperhill to CBD from 5-7pm should tell you it's not an ideal office location. The place has zero funk. Weekends it resembles a ghost town.
Ericsson
#80 Posted : Thursday, November 22, 2018 12:15:24 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,819
Location: NAIROBI
wukan wrote:
hardwood wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Swenani wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Konza is becoming reality soon


This one died a long time ago


1. One thing I have learnt about government projects... The move slowly but surely. If GOK says it will build a pipeline, be sure it will.

2. One thing I have learnt about projects generally... Infrastructure follows the people, not the other way around. GOK will not build a road, connect power, water and wifi to a remote place to encourage settlement. However, if you build your settlement in a remote place, GOK will build a road, connect power, water and wifi to your remote Kibanda. Same thing with Konza. Once investors who are allocated parcels start constructing, Project will move at un-imaginable speed.

3. A good example is upperhill. 15 years ago, upperhill was just KASNEB, Rahimtulla and a few residential buildings (some converted into restaurants) with just one street through to KNG. Right now Upperhill is a highrise city within a city with an excellent road power and water network.


expound on what excellent is? Upperhill is f***ed up. How can you spend more than 2 hrs to exit upperhill?


Roads are good, traffic is bad.


Coca Cola, EU mission abandon Upperhill. What's the future of upperhill as the choice office location?


https://www.businessdail...38246-htvv7r/index.html

https://www.nation.co.ke...0324-c196u9z/index.html



The way workers rush out of upperhill to CBD from 5-7pm should tell you it's not an ideal office location. The place has zero funk. Weekends it resembles a ghost town.


Upper hill is an extension of CBD and is ideal for government offices and companies that deal directly with members of the public
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