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VituVingiSana
#251 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 8:58:00 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
mulla wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
I primarily invest for dividends and with no immediate plan to sell. So when faced with a takeover, this distorts my plans since I have to re-invest the proceeds. If KK was to be here for long and pay increasing dividends over time, the benefits far out way the premiums being offered today (23/=).

I think I have no choice but to take the offer given that the Frenchmen have even indicated that they will not continue with the current generous dividend policy that KK was pursuing.

The other consideration is; what was the impact of them buying a clean KK that just recently make major write offs of Segman payments, KPRL's account owing, long standing legal settlement in H1 and so on? Doesn't this obviously mean that future benefits of a cleaner balance sheet will not accrue to current shareholders, which is not a great at all?

As someone mentioned the number of investible firms in NSE continue to diminish and we will perhaps only be left with banks, Safaricom and a few other well run firms.


Like any big business deal such as this one the talks must had been going on for a long time and these must have been conditions set for a takeover. Also explains the going ons towards the public announcement like why Ohana exercised his share options.

Having said that as i grow in investing i come to appreciate with gatheuzi,VVS about investing in 'strong transparent' companies with good dividend payouts, and invest long term without ever having thinking of selling, without ever having to look at stock prices daily, as you have confidence in the companies you have invested in and small shocks will not shake you.

Though Warren Buffet doesnt necessarily go for dividend payout provided the company is strong,transparent,growing and is being sold at a good value.

My investment strategy has been mainly capital gains of >50% then sell. I held alot of KK, tens of thousands, and sold one year ago cause of 70% capital gain. No other reason at all for selling like 'i needed the money or i had lost confidence in the company'. I dont regret selling as that has been a lesson learnt.

Investing in companies because they are cheap, example Mumias,Uchumi,HA etc, yet the companies are in financial distress and are not growing etc, is not an investment strategy.
Applause Applause Applause I learnt that lesson in KQ. I sold my shares in 2012 at 13-14 and went into KenRe and KK.
KK - Dividends + Price Appreciation + Takeover + Good Management
KenRe - Dividends + (smaller) Price Appreciation [but good growth in Shareholder Funds and I will wait] + Good Management for now
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#252 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 10:47:26 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
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What a journey my friend. We believed through thick and thin. Eventually someone else also saw the diamond in the rough that was KK. I had no intention of ever selling this well run firm. Will be sad to let it go because I now have to look for another good investment. Salute!
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Superprime1
#253 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 11:25:02 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/2/2018
Posts: 267
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
I primarily invest for dividends and with no immediate plan to sell. So when faced with a takeover, this distorts my plans since I have to re-invest the proceeds. If KK was to be here for long and pay increasing dividends over time, the benefits far out way the premiums being offered today (23/=).

I think I have no choice but to take the offer given that the Frenchmen have even indicated that they will not continue with the current generous dividend policy that KK was pursuing.

The other consideration is; what was the impact of them buying a clean KK that just recently make major write offs of Segman payments, KPRL's account owing, long standing legal settlement in H1 and so on? Doesn't this obviously mean that future benefits of a cleaner balance sheet will not accrue to current shareholders, which is not a great at all?

As someone mentioned the number of investible firms in NSE continue to diminish and we will perhaps only be left with banks, Safaricom and a few other well run firms.



As Europe stagnates economically, Europeans are snatching up undervalued businesses from locals.
As long as we do not sell, does it matter?
Unga: I have refused to sell my shares at a pittance but it is NOT Seaboard but the Ndegwas (who sold us their crap - Ennsvalley) that are screwing us over.
KK: If you think 23/- isn't a fair price then do not sell.

Anyone who won't sell this one at 23/= will have no activist investor to save them!
guru267
#254 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 12:08:58 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
Superprime1 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
I primarily invest for dividends and with no immediate plan to sell. So when faced with a takeover, this distorts my plans since I have to re-invest the proceeds. If KK was to be here for long and pay increasing dividends over time, the benefits far out way the premiums being offered today (23/=).

I think I have no choice but to take the offer given that the Frenchmen have even indicated that they will not continue with the current generous dividend policy that KK was pursuing.

The other consideration is; what was the impact of them buying a clean KK that just recently make major write offs of Segman payments, KPRL's account owing, long standing legal settlement in H1 and so on? Doesn't this obviously mean that future benefits of a cleaner balance sheet will not accrue to current shareholders, which is not a great at all?

As someone mentioned the number of investible firms in NSE continue to diminish and we will perhaps only be left with banks, Safaricom and a few other well run firms.



As Europe stagnates economically, Europeans are snatching up undervalued businesses from locals.
As long as we do not sell, does it matter?
Unga: I have refused to sell my shares at a pittance but it is NOT Seaboard but the Ndegwas (who sold us their crap - Ennsvalley) that are screwing us over.
KK: If you think 23/- isn't a fair price then do not sell.

Anyone who won't sell this one at 23/= will have no activist investor to save them!


If the acquirer manages to get 90% they can force out remaining shareholders who refuse to sell.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Superprime1
#255 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 12:55:12 PM
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Joined: 5/2/2018
Posts: 267
Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...?
mlennyma
#256 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 1:03:21 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
Superprime1 wrote:
Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...?

buy and take that 4 shillings discount instead of doubting even without rubis the company is doing well
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
sparkly
#257 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 2:49:05 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Superprime1 wrote:
Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...?


People who bought at 15 taking profits.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#258 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 5:00:45 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...?


People who bought at 15 taking profits.

A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is

KQ ABP 4.26
mlennyma
#259 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 5:45:33 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...?


People who bought at 15 taking profits.

A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is

"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mlennyma
#260 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2018 5:47:04 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...?


People who bought at 15 taking profits.

A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is

Are you a hater here?the lady has found a husband and she is already pregnant.the volume tells me it's some hungry poor men,the real investors are settled.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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