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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:2012 wrote:Swenani wrote:Mbona anaitwa kashogi?
By the way, there was a tycoon in Kenya back then called Kashogi who was very close to Moi... (for those who are young enough to remember...)
He was a Saudi Arabian billionaire arms dealer. His name was Adnan Khashoggi and he had a ranch huko Laikipia. His sister was the mother of Dodi AL Fayed, yule jamaa alikuwa na Princess Diana when they both died.
OH, I didn't know about the Al Fayed relation. Small world. And what happened to Adnan? He passed?
I think Kenya is just one of those strange places where you can find a link to almost anything. Whenever Turkey is mentioned I can't help but remember how we betrayed Abdullah Ocalan.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:2012 wrote:Swenani wrote:Mbona anaitwa kashogi?
By the way, there was a tycoon in Kenya back then called Kashogi who was very close to Moi... (for those who are young enough to remember...)
He was a Saudi Arabian billionaire arms dealer. His name was Adnan Khashoggi and he had a ranch huko Laikipia. His sister was the mother of Dodi AL Fayed, yule jamaa alikuwa na Princess Diana when they both died.
Jamal's cousin.
@Swenani, are you asking about 'Ka-shogi'? A small watchman?
Coincidentally that's the role Jamal seemed to be playing, and in similar contempt, dispatched.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Religion of peace indeed.
This was politics, not religion. Unless you are trying to provoke @Alphadoti.
I guess the US is in a dillema, go one way and the price of oil goes off the roof, with catastrophic global consequences, go the other and flush your moral authority down the toilet.
How can you separate religion and politics in saudi?
Why would Alphadoti bring issues of propaganda in a political assignation of a country he doesn't belong to? And whose politics he is not involved or interested in?
I don't know where @Alphadoti's interests lie, but I do believe their is some geopolitical tensions between Turkey, Qatar and allies on one side and Saudi, UAE and allies on the other that is playing out in the ME. I don't know what the background is.
So Turkey is not necessarily some neutral sympathetic arbiter outting Saudi Arabia for Khashogi's to get justice, they have their own political motives.
I am hoping here that @Alphadoti's reference to propaganda referred to Turkey (a Muslim nation) and not some Western nation or media or source
I see your point with regard to geopolitical interests.... But alphadoti is always quick to bring up "propaganda" and conspiracies to explain anything that would blame defenders or leaders of the Islam religion when calamity has been committed ...even where these are indefensible.
Why would he want to defend Saudi against Turkey? What does saudi represent with regard to Islam?
Politics and religion are almost inseparable. And as Alphdoti as Trump or any other persons who may wish to do their best to cover their positions.
Even a straw will do.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Religion of peace indeed.
This was politics, not religion. Unless you are trying to provoke @Alphadoti.
I guess the US is in a dillema, go one way and the price of oil goes off the roof, with catastrophic global consequences, go the other and flush your moral authority down the toilet.
How can you separate religion and politics in saudi?
Why would Alphadoti bring issues of propaganda in a political assignation of a country he doesn't belong to? And whose politics he is not involved or interested in?
I don't know where @Alphadoti's interests lie, but I do believe their is some geopolitical tensions between Turkey, Qatar and allies on one side and Saudi, UAE and allies on the other that is playing out in the ME. I don't know what the background is.
So Turkey is not necessarily some neutral sympathetic arbiter outting Saudi Arabia for Khashogi's to get justice, they have their own political motives.
I am hoping here that @Alphadoti's reference to propaganda referred to Turkey (a Muslim nation) and not some Western nation or media or source
I see your point with regard to geopolitical interests.... But alphadoti is always quick to bring up "propaganda" and conspiracies to explain anything that would blame defenders or leaders of the Islam religion when calamity has been committed ...even where these are indefensible.
Why would he want to defend Saudi against Turkey? What does saudi represent with regard to Islam?
Politics and religion are almost inseparable. And as Alphdoti as Trump or any other persons who may wish to do their best to cover their positions.
Even a straw will do.
"A suspect identified by Turkey in the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was a frequent companion of the kingdom’s powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Three other suspects are linked to Prince Mohammed’s security detail and a fifth is a high-level forensic doctor.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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2012 wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Religion of peace indeed.
This was politics, not religion. Unless you are trying to provoke @Alphadoti.
I guess the US is in a dillema, go one way and the price of oil goes off the roof, with catastrophic global consequences, go the other and flush your moral authority down the toilet.
How can you separate religion and politics in saudi?
Why would Alphadoti bring issues of propaganda in a political assignation of a country he doesn't belong to? And whose politics he is not involved or interested in?
I don't know where @Alphadoti's interests lie, but I do believe their is some geopolitical tensions between Turkey, Qatar and allies on one side and Saudi, UAE and allies on the other that is playing out in the ME. I don't know what the background is.
So Turkey is not necessarily some neutral sympathetic arbiter outting Saudi Arabia for Khashogi's to get justice, they have their own political motives.
I am hoping here that @Alphadoti's reference to propaganda referred to Turkey (a Muslim nation) and not some Western nation or media or source
I see your point with regard to geopolitical interests.... But alphadoti is always quick to bring up "propaganda" and conspiracies to explain anything that would blame defenders or leaders of the Islam religion when calamity has been committed ...even where these are indefensible.
Why would he want to defend Saudi against Turkey? What does saudi represent with regard to Islam?
Politics and religion are almost inseparable. And as Alphdoti as Trump or any other persons who may wish to do their best to cover their positions.
Even a straw will do.
"A suspect identified by Turkey in the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was a frequent companion of the kingdom’s powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Three other suspects are linked to Prince Mohammed’s security detail and a fifth is a high-level forensic doctor.
It reads like the Obado case.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937
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hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:tycho wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Religion of peace indeed.
This was politics, not religion. Unless you are trying to provoke @Alphadoti.
I guess the US is in a dillema, go one way and the price of oil goes off the roof, with catastrophic global consequences, go the other and flush your moral authority down the toilet.
How can you separate religion and politics in saudi?
Why would Alphadoti bring issues of propaganda in a political assignation of a country he doesn't belong to? And whose politics he is not involved or interested in?
I don't know where @Alphadoti's interests lie, but I do believe their is some geopolitical tensions between Turkey, Qatar and allies on one side and Saudi, UAE and allies on the other that is playing out in the ME. I don't know what the background is.
So Turkey is not necessarily some neutral sympathetic arbiter outting Saudi Arabia for Khashogi's to get justice, they have their own political motives.
I am hoping here that @Alphadoti's reference to propaganda referred to Turkey (a Muslim nation) and not some Western nation or media or source
I see your point with regard to geopolitical interests.... But alphadoti is always quick to bring up "propaganda" and conspiracies to explain anything that would blame defenders or leaders of the Islam religion when calamity has been committed ...even where these are indefensible.
Why would he want to defend Saudi against Turkey? What does saudi represent with regard to Islam?
Politics and religion are almost inseparable. And as Alphdoti as Trump or any other persons who may wish to do their best to cover their positions.
Even a straw will do.
"A suspect identified by Turkey in the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was a frequent companion of the kingdom’s powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Three other suspects are linked to Prince Mohammed’s security detail and a fifth is a high-level forensic doctor.
It reads like the Obado case.
Looks like this guy had a crazy dossier on MBS, likely he knew that huwa anatengeneswa.  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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This case appears to be one of how global order is managed and the perks the ruling elite have over the ruled.
When the pastor was in custody, and Ankara was intransigent, the WASPs stung. Trump flexed his muscles and by the time Kashoggi is dying, the pastor's release is on full throttle.
The gambit from Ankara will only serve to make Turkey barely survive a political coup in the balance of power of the ME and Europe.
Russia of course is celebrating. England and US now can't be too keen. You may be surprised that the FSB/GRU is helping Ankara.
Canada may get some power that US may be losing...
But all in all we should soon be celebrating global peace and stability.
Each lamb waiting for it's day at the altar.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Me thinks MBS has overplayed his hand, the foley of youth.
At 33 years, he is the De-Facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, has the ear of the US President, he's flexing his muscles all over the Arab world. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Me thinks MBS has overplayed his hand, the foley of youth.
At 33 years, he is the De-Facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, has the ear of the US President, he's flexing his muscles all over the Arab world.
This wont end well.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/15/2018 Posts: 428
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3rd world dictators have been emboldened by trump. Remember that trump recently went to the UN and said that USA will not interefere in the domestic issues of sovereign states. trump also seems to have a liking for dictators. I think MBS misread this and thought he could get away with murder. After all he has killed 50,000 Yemenis including school children and nobody batted an eyelid.
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