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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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I know depression is a disease, but I also think it is overstated as the only cause of suicide.
@Tycho, what's your take on depression? I'm curious.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms. work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
I don't know if I agree with that... valid all the same... But it's the most selfish act.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:I know depression is a disease, but I also think it is overstated as the only cause of suicide.
@Tycho, what's your take on depression? I'm curious.
If I look at my mind, then I can say I've been depressed mostly because I haven't known who my true mother is/was. And since I tried to project on my biological mother and the world, qualities of my true mother which were too high for them, I found myself in a captivity of sorts. Slavery, drudgery, the list of de-motivators is high.
There's another aspect; this time, about the entity I call 'me'. I set some standards for myself, but I'm too weak to be able to live the thought. Only training can help... Oh, imagine the dynamics of training. Which training is this? Where's the trainer? You don't find one as easily. 'I'm a failure' you say. Let's call it the institutionalization of Babylon, in my mind.
The deepest aspect of 'the depression' is my alienation from the unconscious. I believe that if an individual can be receptive to the unconscious, then he/she has everything he/she needs. Knowing who your true mother and father are is the sweetest thing ever. Your days are full of joy, life is eternal!
In the end depression is a good thing and should be encouraged. If one is depressed, then that person is ready for enlightenment. Just don't give up!
Suicide appears as a way out some times. But in a knowable universe you discover that death is an illusion and killing yourself is self deception. An individual's mind can't be trusted! You need to control your mind, but not the other way round.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
Most people don't even know who they are, how can they decide?
I can accept it when Socrates drinks the poison, but is it ethical for one who's yet to realize what she has or even where she is to make such a decision under self deception?
Socrates will drink hemlock because he knows it makes no difference, the non philosopher who doesn't know what he doesn't know, will drink it because he thinks it makes a difference when it doesn't. Or, even, without due diligence.
The standard for humanity is excellence @Tokyo, laws are for the promotion of it!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
I don't know if I agree with that... valid all the same... But it's the most selfish act.
Why "selfish"? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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masukuma wrote:2012 wrote:Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
I don't know if I agree with that... valid all the same... But it's the most selfish act.
Why "selfish"?
I have lost three friends to suicide, the first was from a disagreement with the parents trying too much to control their only son.
The second was from drugs a first timer trying out unga and somehow it told him to hang himself.
The third was in the KDF trauma issues which affect many of our boys in the army.
Families are putting pressure on young men in this hard economy I know many who have had to deal with depression by cutting everyone out, alcohol seems to be the last thing they go to for the depression so it's really hard to help.
Please ask for help. you will be surprised at how people actually care
To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:2012 wrote:Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
I don't know if I agree with that... valid all the same... But it's the most selfish act.
Why "selfish"?
Coz of those you leave behind spouse, parents, kids, siblings, friends
People are left blaming themselves
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937
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Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:2012 wrote:Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
I don't know if I agree with that... valid all the same... But it's the most selfish act.
Why "selfish"?
Coz of those you leave behind spouse, parents, kids, siblings, friends
People are left blaming themselves
Just leave a nicely written suicide with a clear reason why. then the rest wont blame themselves. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:2012 wrote:Tokyo wrote:People should be free to decide if to exit life under their own terms.
I don't know if I agree with that... valid all the same... But it's the most selfish act.
Why "selfish"?
Coz of those you leave behind spouse, parents, kids, siblings, friends
People are left blaming themselves
Exactly.
You live with guilt for the rest of your life asking you whether you could have done it different.
Was your approach wrong? Was there a way to stop it? Where were you when it happened? Why didn't you sense it?Why,why why is what you will take to your grave.
It's done.It's over.And you have to live with that forever.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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