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300,000 youth below 24 HIV positive...
2012
#21 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:57:35 PM
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Mike Ock wrote:
First of all why is nobody questioning the source? Second of all how many under 24s are there in Kenya? 300k is a tiny percentage of them, less than 5%. That's no cause for alarm or self righteousness. After all men of all ages are the ones who love to feast on under 25s


Rink...

Over 300,000 young people in kenya hiv positive nacc


Source: National Aids Control Council


BBI will solve it
:)
MugundaMan
#22 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 6:55:15 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:

More fuzzy statistics usually thrown around.
1.In 1998, 3,000 Kenyans died from road accidents. In 2017 the official number was 2,900. After 1,000,000 bodabodas have been added on the roads. To be clear, the actual number of deaths is around 16,000.

2.Nairobi contributes 60% of GDP.

3.85% of kenyans are christians.
4.There were 1,000,000 people at a rally in Uhuru park. BTW the park can hardly hold 80,000 and it only happened once in 2002.



These are all true my bratha.

On #2: 60% of GDP can be measured econometrically and/or estimated mathematically..e.g. from tax information available to KRA, or in the case of real estate, value of new developments for which building permits were issued by county. Or by FDI info available to KenInvest and others. If $30b is to be invested in Kenya in 2018 by foreign companies and 60% of them are pumping it into factories and industries based in Nairobbery alone, then a rough estimate can be made. In a more informal way, one can measure this by looking at the number of people who actually live and work in Nairobi who are on the tax rolls. Even in the suburbs most workers troop to Nairobi county to work during the day time then leave at night for the bedrooms of Nairobi. The jam in the evening from CBD headed out of town on Thika road can shock at times and is a good measure of where the bulk of that GDP of Kenya is coming from.

On #3: This is common knowledge. Sampling can be done and the results are pretty accurate. KNBS and Census data also provides quite an accurate figure. Whether all these professing Christians are actually practising Christians who go to church is another matter altogether. Remember even Legio Maria, Dini ya Musambwa, Wakorino and Jehovah's witness consider themselves Christians.

On #4: 80,000 people is kidogo for Uhuru Park, my bratha. Look at Rod Stewarts free concert at Copacabana beach in Rio which attracted a whopping 3.5 to 4.5 million people and made the Guiness World Records (and these guys are sticklers for details) yet Copacabana beach is even tinier than Uhuru Park. If Kasarani stadium can host 60,000 people properly spaced and well seated and with the whole field and walking areas empty, surely it can pack over a million people all standing in all areas including the field and packed like sardines quite easily.



Ni hayo maoni yangu tu.

AlphDoti
#23 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:45:46 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

More fuzzy statistics usually thrown around.
1.In 1998, 3,000 Kenyans died from road accidents. In 2017 the official number was 2,900. After 1,000,000 bodabodas have been added on the roads. To be clear, the actual number of deaths is around 16,000.

2.Nairobi contributes 60% of GDP.

3.85% of kenyans are christians.
4.There were 1,000,000 people at a rally in Uhuru park. BTW the park can hardly hold 80,000 and it only happened once in 2002.

These are all true my bratha.

On #2: 60% of GDP can be measured econometrically and/or estimated mathematically..e.g. from tax information available to KRA, or in the case of real estate, value of new developments for which building permits were issued by county. Or by FDI info available to KenInvest and others. If $30b is to be invested in Kenya in 2018 by foreign companies and 60% of them are pumping it into factories and industries based in Nairobbery alone, then a rough estimate can be made. In a more informal way, one can measure this by looking at the number of people who actually live and work in Nairobi who are on the tax rolls. Even in the suburbs most workers troop to Nairobi county to work during the day time then leave at night for the bedrooms of Nairobi. The jam in the evening from CBD headed out of town on Thika road can shock at times and is a good measure of where the bulk of that GDP of Kenya is coming from.

On #3: This is common knowledge. Sampling can be done and the results are pretty accurate. KNBS and Census data also provides quite an accurate figure. Whether all these professing Christians are actually practising Christians who go to church is another matter altogether. Remember even Legio Maria, Dini ya Musambwa, Wakorino and Jehovah's witness consider themselves Christians.

On #4: 80,000 people is kidogo for Uhuru Park, my bratha. Look at Rod Stewarts free concert at Copacabana beach in Rio which attracted a whopping 3.5 to 4.5 million people and made the Guiness World Records (and these guys are sticklers for details) yet Copacabana beach is even tinier than Uhuru Park. If Kasarani stadium can host 60,000 people properly spaced and well seated and with the whole field and walking areas empty, surely it can pack over a million people all standing in all areas including the field and packed like sardines quite easily.



Ni hayo maoni yangu tu.

If you have been keen, you notice before they release the census, they take years to cook the numbers: diminish some numbers and enlarge the other...
Quote: Some sources suggest the number of Muslims in Kenya between 35% and 45%...
MugundaMan
#24 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:24:22 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

If you have been keen, you notice before they release the census, they take years to cook the numbers: diminish some numbers and enlarge the other...
Quote: Some sources suggest the number of Muslims in Kenya between 35% and 45%...


Well the cooking may be true for ethnic numbers for political reasons but what would be the motive for cooking religious numbers? I highly doubt anyone has an interest in distorting religious numbers. Even CIA which always use their own competent sources and have no vested interest corroborate the numbers.

https://www.cia.gov/libr...d-factbook/geos/ke.html

Quote:
Religions:
Christian 83% (Protestant 47.7%, Catholic 23.4%, other Christian 11.9%), Muslim 11.2%, Traditionalists 1.7%, other 1.6%, none 2.4%, unspecified 0.2% (2009 est.)

masukuma
#25 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:39:07 PM
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Let me ask... now that haipatikani ukikunywa chai... watu wanaogopa nini unless you partake of the same practices and you are therefore the problem.
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FRM2011
#26 Posted : Friday, October 05, 2018 12:58:09 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

More fuzzy statistics usually thrown around.
1.In 1998, 3,000 Kenyans died from road accidents. In 2017 the official number was 2,900. After 1,000,000 bodabodas have been added on the roads. To be clear, the actual number of deaths is around 16,000.

2.Nairobi contributes 60% of GDP.

3.85% of kenyans are christians.
4.There were 1,000,000 people at a rally in Uhuru park. BTW the park can hardly hold 80,000 and it only happened once in 2002.



These are all true my bratha.

On #2: 60% of GDP can be measured econometrically and/or estimated mathematically..e.g. from tax information available to KRA, or in the case of real estate, value of new developments for which building permits were issued by county. Or by FDI info available to KenInvest and others. If $30b is to be invested in Kenya in 2018 by foreign companies and 60% of them are pumping it into factories and industries based in Nairobbery alone, then a rough estimate can be made. In a more informal way, one can measure this by looking at the number of people who actually live and work in Nairobi who are on the tax rolls. Even in the suburbs most workers troop to Nairobi county to work during the day time then leave at night for the bedrooms of Nairobi. The jam in the evening from CBD headed out of town on Thika road can shock at times and is a good measure of where the bulk of that GDP of Kenya is coming from.

On #3: This is common knowledge. Sampling can be done and the results are pretty accurate. KNBS and Census data also provides quite an accurate figure. Whether all these professing Christians are actually practising Christians who go to church is another matter altogether. Remember even Legio Maria, Dini ya Musambwa, Wakorino and Jehovah's witness consider themselves Christians.

On #4: 80,000 people is kidogo for Uhuru Park, my bratha. Look at Rod Stewarts free concert at Copacabana beach in Rio which attracted a whopping 3.5 to 4.5 million people and made the Guiness World Records (and these guys are sticklers for details) yet Copacabana beach is even tinier than Uhuru Park. If Kasarani stadium can host 60,000 people properly spaced and well seated and with the whole field and walking areas empty, surely it can pack over a million people all standing in all areas including the field and packed like sardines quite easily.



Ni hayo maoni yangu tu.



I know I am wasting my time in this argument but try to work out how many people can stand on a 1 SQM area. You can use the floor tiles in your house. The total area where rallies are held at Uhuru park is less than 20,000 SQM. You do the maths.

We can go on and on about the GDP and religious affiliation but I don't have the energy for that.
masukuma
#27 Posted : Friday, October 05, 2018 5:45:03 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

More fuzzy statistics usually thrown around.
1.In 1998, 3,000 Kenyans died from road accidents. In 2017 the official number was 2,900. After 1,000,000 bodabodas have been added on the roads. To be clear, the actual number of deaths is around 16,000.

2.Nairobi contributes 60% of GDP.

3.85% of kenyans are christians.
4.There were 1,000,000 people at a rally in Uhuru park. BTW the park can hardly hold 80,000 and it only happened once in 2002.

These are all true my bratha.

On #2: 60% of GDP can be measured econometrically and/or estimated mathematically..e.g. from tax information available to KRA, or in the case of real estate, value of new developments for which building permits were issued by county. Or by FDI info available to KenInvest and others. If $30b is to be invested in Kenya in 2018 by foreign companies and 60% of them are pumping it into factories and industries based in Nairobbery alone, then a rough estimate can be made. In a more informal way, one can measure this by looking at the number of people who actually live and work in Nairobi who are on the tax rolls. Even in the suburbs most workers troop to Nairobi county to work during the day time then leave at night for the bedrooms of Nairobi. The jam in the evening from CBD headed out of town on Thika road can shock at times and is a good measure of where the bulk of that GDP of Kenya is coming from.

On #3: This is common knowledge. Sampling can be done and the results are pretty accurate. KNBS and Census data also provides quite an accurate figure. Whether all these professing Christians are actually practising Christians who go to church is another matter altogether. Remember even Legio Maria, Dini ya Musambwa, Wakorino and Jehovah's witness consider themselves Christians.

On #4: 80,000 people is kidogo for Uhuru Park, my bratha. Look at Rod Stewarts free concert at Copacabana beach in Rio which attracted a whopping 3.5 to 4.5 million people and made the Guiness World Records (and these guys are sticklers for details) yet Copacabana beach is even tinier than Uhuru Park. If Kasarani stadium can host 60,000 people properly spaced and well seated and with the whole field and walking areas empty, surely it can pack over a million people all standing in all areas including the field and packed like sardines quite easily.



Ni hayo maoni yangu tu.

If you have been keen, you notice before they release the census, they take years to cook the numbers: diminish some numbers and enlarge the other...
Quote: Some sources suggest the number of Muslims in Kenya between 35% and 45%...

If you don't agree with the figures - they must be cooked. Muslims are not even 15% of the population.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#28 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 11:51:44 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

More fuzzy statistics usually thrown around.
1.In 1998, 3,000 Kenyans died from road accidents. In 2017 the official number was 2,900. After 1,000,000 bodabodas have been added on the roads. To be clear, the actual number of deaths is around 16,000.

2.Nairobi contributes 60% of GDP.

3.85% of kenyans are christians.
4.There were 1,000,000 people at a rally in Uhuru park. BTW the park can hardly hold 80,000 and it only happened once in 2002.



These are all true my bratha.

On #2: 60% of GDP can be measured econometrically and/or estimated mathematically..e.g. from tax information available to KRA, or in the case of real estate, value of new developments for which building permits were issued by county. Or by FDI info available to KenInvest and others. If $30b is to be invested in Kenya in 2018 by foreign companies and 60% of them are pumping it into factories and industries based in Nairobbery alone, then a rough estimate can be made. In a more informal way, one can measure this by looking at the number of people who actually live and work in Nairobi who are on the tax rolls. Even in the suburbs most workers troop to Nairobi county to work during the day time then leave at night for the bedrooms of Nairobi. The jam in the evening from CBD headed out of town on Thika road can shock at times and is a good measure of where the bulk of that GDP of Kenya is coming from.

On #3: This is common knowledge. Sampling can be done and the results are pretty accurate. KNBS and Census data also provides quite an accurate figure. Whether all these professing Christians are actually practising Christians who go to church is another matter altogether. Remember even Legio Maria, Dini ya Musambwa, Wakorino and Jehovah's witness consider themselves Christians.

On #4: 80,000 people is kidogo for Uhuru Park, my bratha. Look at Rod Stewarts free concert at Copacabana beach in Rio which attracted a whopping 3.5 to 4.5 million people and made the Guiness World Records (and these guys are sticklers for details) yet Copacabana beach is even tinier than Uhuru Park. If Kasarani stadium can host 60,000 people properly spaced and well seated and with the whole field and walking areas empty, surely it can pack over a million people all standing in all areas including the field and packed like sardines quite easily.



Ni hayo maoni yangu tu.



Nairobi controlling 60% of the GDP is surely a hoax, Commerce in Nairobi is significant but ain't that dominant. 1 needs to travel around the country to see just how vast the rest of Kenya is and that there are people everywhere engaged in economic activities. ask yourself what are our major exports, Tea, coffee, Tourism, hardly in Nairobi, what about major consumption, Sugar, Maize and other cereals, milk, ain't in Nairobi.

In my guess from nowhere, I would give Nairobi a maximum share of the GDP of 40%

Uhuru park, my guess is when they say 1Million people showed up, my guess is they actual people are 100,000, if you stretch it 150,000. 1 Million people would probably equate to 1/2 of Nairobi adults, can't happen.
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Cv254K
#29 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 1:51:00 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

More fuzzy statistics usually thrown around.

These are all true my bratha.

u.

If you have been keen, you notice before they release the census, they take years to cook the numbers: diminish some numbers and enlarge the other...
Quote: Some sources suggest the number of Muslims in Kenya between 35% and 45%...

If you don't agree with the figures - they must be cooked. Muslims are not even 15% of the population.

Issue with census/population data is that numbers have become a political weapon.Figures of last census from N/Eastern counties are funny. AlphDoti will likely say that those areas have been undercounted in historical censuses ... waiting to see in next census how, for example, numbers in lower Isiolo (Garbatula,Modogashe) will compare with adjacent Wajir numbers.
MugundaMan
#30 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:18:26 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:

I know I am wasting my time in this argument but try to work out how many people can stand on a 1 SQM area. You can use the floor tiles in your house. The total area where rallies are held at Uhuru park is less than 20,000 SQM. You do the maths.

We can go on and on about the GDP and religious affiliation but I don't have the energy for that.



ha ha ha ha ha! Very funny! Let us go by your logic and compute some real figures.
You claim Uhuru Park standing area is 20000 sqm. That would make it a little bit under 5 acres (your turn do do the maths smile. Jameni that is already wrong big time.
According to wiki, the park is a whopping 12.9 HECTARES which equates to a whopping 129,000 sqm.

So let's go by your logic. How many people would fit into one square metre?
Well 1 sq m is pretty huge. This engineer estimates about 6 people can fit. In our Kenyan environment where people pack like sardines at these rallies, I say 12 can easily fit. Even going by the conservative estimate of say about 8 people, we get:

129,000*8= a whopping 1,032,000 persons.

And jameni we have not even started to account for those outside the park that cannot get in (maybe another 200k) and those on the dias and trees!

Uhuru Park can easily fit 1 mill into it my broda, why you find this so hard to believe despite the glaring evidence beats me.
MugundaMan
#31 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:17:46 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:


Nairobi controlling 60% of the GDP is surely a hoax, Commerce in Nairobi is significant but ain't that dominant. 1 needs to travel around the country to see just how vast the rest of Kenya is and that there are people everywhere engaged in economic activities. ask yourself what are our major exports, Tea, coffee, Tourism, hardly in Nairobi, what about major consumption, Sugar, Maize and other cereals, milk, ain't in Nairobi.

In my guess from nowhere, I would give Nairobi a maximum share of the GDP of 40%

Uhuru park, my guess is when they say 1Million people showed up, my guess is they actual people are 100,000, if you stretch it 150,000. 1 Million people would probably equate to 1/2 of Nairobi adults, can't happen.


Obi,

Where is your concrete evidence evincing the above. You can't just claim to debunk the 60% figure with your own informal reasons.

According to KNBS which is the official source of all economic data and stats related to Kenya, Agriculture is a mere 25% of GDP of the entire economy of Kenya. EVEN then. Did you forget that majority of the value addition, packaging and so on for the sector in Kenya is conducted in our beautiful Nairobi City? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even the freight headed outbound leaves from here. And all those firms pay taxes hapa hapa. I am utterly amazed that you discount the value the green city in the sun brings to the entire economy of Kenya

Let's move to concrete FACTS

According again to to KNBS:

Quote:
The total output of the industrial sector in 2009 was KSh 1,009.2 billion with total gross value added of KSh 319.8 billion. Manufacturing activities recorded the largest share of industrial production, accounting for 90.3 per cent of total value of industrial output. This was followed by electricity, gas, steam and air conditioning supply which recorded 7.9 per cent of the total output. The total number of persons engaged as at June 2009 was 324,841 with about half of them based in Nairobi.


That is a whopping 50% of employment in the industrial sector in the whole country, which tells you the % of the manufacturing GDP is way above 50% from common knowledge that almost all the largest corporates in Kenya by revenues are Nairobi based. Need I name them? Safaricom for example, basically runs Kenya and is squarely in Nairobi (taxwise, administratively and so on) even as it generates revenues countrywide.


Almost all the largest individual tax payers in Kenya are Nairobi based. Ask the Daily Nation.

In a similar vein, we all know almost all the largest corporate tax payers are Nairobi based. And we know this large corporates command an oversize (by a huge multiple) of GDP compared to small informal businesses and farms in rural areas.

Add to all this that Nairobi alone hosts a whopping 1/3 of Kenya's fast growing middle class. And this does not count those in satellite counties (including dustbowl) who commute into Nairobi daily who may boost that 1/3 to 1/2 during the day!

Jameni what more proof do you want?


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