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Commercializing Prisons
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#1 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 5:05:38 AM
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President Uhuru Kenyatta is expected to sign the Kenya Prisons Enterprise Corporation Order, 2018, setting the stage for penitentiaries to unlock their revenue potential.

State House said on Tuesday that the Executive order will establish the Kenya Prisons Enterprise Corporation - a State body mandated to expand the scope of the prisons work programs.

The ultimately goal will be to turn the correctional institutions into a reformative and financially self-sustaining entity.

The new corporation will also contribute to the realisation of President Kenyatta’s Big 4 Agenda, particularly food security, affordable housing, and manufacturing.

In this regard, it will be mandated to organise and manage the assets of the Prisons Department, including 86 prison farms covering 18,225.9 acres of land.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:16:10 AM
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If the business and prisoner reform models to be used are the ones like in the US or England, then we might be in big trouble.

Given the high population growth rates and demographics, the private corporations may make a profit while the state and the general population collapses in poverty and violence.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:57:22 AM
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This is why the US has the highest prison population.The motive for imprisoning changes from reform to profit so this is a dark path Kenya is taking.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 9:21:53 AM
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Kenyan prisons are still operated like colonial concentration camps except for the odd reforms driven by empathetic wardens.

It's time to institutionalize reforms and address congestion, nutrition, health of prisoners and recidivism. If someone goes to prison let him/ her come out a better person.

Reforms in Public Universities, KWS and KFS worked for the better. Why not in prisons?
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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:08:13 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
This is why the US has the highest prison population.The motive for imprisoning changes from reform to profit so this is a dark path Kenya is taking.


Why should we be taxed to maintain obado and other criminals in prison? Let the prisons use the imprisoned labour and other resources to generate income to maintain the facilities and also pass the extra income to wanjiku.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 11:04:18 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
This is why the US has the highest prison population.The motive for imprisoning changes from reform to profit so this is a dark path Kenya is taking.


I haven't read the Bill yet but I am sure there is an anti-profit clause. I encourage you to read and report back to us.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 11:54:48 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Kenyan prisons are still operated like colonial concentration camps except for the odd reforms driven by empathetic wardens.

It's time to institutionalize reforms and address congestion, nutrition, health of prisoners and recidivism. If someone goes to prison let him/ her come out a better person.

Reforms in Public Universities, KWS and KFS worked for the better. Why not in prisons?


This sounds like your area. And I am with you 100%. But knowing Jubilee, we have a valid reason to be skeptical. Jubilee has never done anything out of altruism. Its all about how much they can grab from the deal. The boss and family are into state capture. The deputy is into primitive accumulation and looting.

I would not be surprised that the first deal the new corporation will sign will be with KOTO and C-max cleverly aligned to building houses under the big 4.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:17:04 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Kenyan prisons are still operated like colonial concentration camps except for the odd reforms driven by empathetic wardens.

It's time to institutionalize reforms and address congestion, nutrition, health of prisoners and recidivism. If someone goes to prison let him/ her come out a better person.

Reforms in Public Universities, KWS and KFS worked for the better. Why not in prisons?


This sounds like your area. And I am with you 100%. But knowing Jubilee, we have a valid reason to be skeptical. Jubilee has never done anything out of altruism. Its all about how much they can grab from the deal. The boss and family are into state capture. The deputy is into primitive accumulation and looting.

I would not be surprised that the first deal the new corporation will sign will be with KOTO and C-max cleverly aligned to building houses under the big 4.


Of course prisons have vast land all over the country d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
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sparkly
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 3:34:38 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Kenyan prisons are still operated like colonial concentration camps except for the odd reforms driven by empathetic wardens.

It's time to institutionalize reforms and address congestion, nutrition, health of prisoners and recidivism. If someone goes to prison let him/ her come out a better person.

Reforms in Public Universities, KWS and KFS worked for the better. Why not in prisons?


This sounds like your area. And I am with you 100%. But knowing Jubilee, we have a valid reason to be skeptical. Jubilee has never done anything out of altruism. Its all about how much they can grab from the deal. The boss and family are into state capture. The deputy is into primitive accumulation and looting.

I would not be surprised that the first deal the new corporation will sign will be with KOTO and C-max cleverly aligned to building houses under the big 4.


How does this deal make the prisons self sustaining? Under the new arrangement, prisons cannot spend what they don't have. They will need to start by having their own programme based budgets with revenues supporting expenditures.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:31:52 PM
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sparkly wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Kenyan prisons are still operated like colonial concentration camps except for the odd reforms driven by empathetic wardens.

It's time to institutionalize reforms and address congestion, nutrition, health of prisoners and recidivism. If someone goes to prison let him/ her come out a better person.

Reforms in Public Universities, KWS and KFS worked for the better. Why not in prisons?


This sounds like your area. And I am with you 100%. But knowing Jubilee, we have a valid reason to be skeptical. Jubilee has never done anything out of altruism. Its all about how much they can grab from the deal. The boss and family are into state capture. The deputy is into primitive accumulation and looting.

I would not be surprised that the first deal the new corporation will sign will be with KOTO and C-max cleverly aligned to building houses under the big 4.


How does this deal make the prisons self sustaining? Under the new arrangement, prisons cannot spend what they don't have. They will need to start by having their own programme based budgets with revenues supporting expenditures.


This is just politics. And why do we think only uneducated people are in prison? How will you rehabilitate Dr. Kidero and Obado by making them do carpentry in prison?

BBI will solve it
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:33:25 PM
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Things are bad in the US. Prison companies bribe judges to send more criminals to them. And considering how corrupt the Kenyan judiciary is, things will be 10 times worse.
sparkly
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:31:49 AM
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radiomast wrote:
Things are bad in the US. Prison companies bribe judges to send more criminals to them. And considering how corrupt the Kenyan judiciary is, things will be 10 times worse.


US has Government, Community and privately operated jails. Private jails bribing judges to send prisoners to them instead of the Government facilities not surprising.

Kenya jails will remain GOK run.

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:46:03 AM
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I have a friend doing large scale farming, last year he told me that he had approached prisons department to start farming on their farms, he is from carribean and he told me it has worked in their side and it can work even here. Am sure they listened to him
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tycho
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:50:33 AM
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sparkly wrote:
radiomast wrote:
Things are bad in the US. Prison companies bribe judges to send more criminals to them. And considering how corrupt the Kenyan judiciary is, things will be 10 times worse.


US has Government, Community and privately operated jails. Private jails bribing judges to send prisoners to them instead of the Government facilities not surprising.

Kenya jails will remain GOK run.



Yeah, GOK can be trusted. Especially where some good money can be made.

When we consider the ingenuity of prisoners in fleecing raia, do you think the GOK can come with an understanding with the prisoners to develop better and more ethical businesses, where the prisoner gets at most 20% of the proceeds?

What is our understanding of how a human gets into crime, and how is this understanding reflected in our correctional models?

A look at how we understand criminals and how we deal with them leaves a great probability that this commercialization will breed oppression, especially to the young people in our slums and the poor whom the well to do appear not to wish to pay for their services.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:26:58 PM
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Sounds good so long as it is not an enterprise to enrich a select few...
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