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Okoth Obado Case
hardwood
#301 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 9:50:35 AM
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Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn
kaka2za
#302 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:40:08 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,057
Location: Gwitu
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn


Welcome to team Yawn😃

I have no sympathy for the Governor,I just want to see if what has been prosecuted in the public holds in the Court of Law
Really unfortunate that Sharon died,but she lived a very risky life. All would be well if she had spent time studying rather than sleeping around and wishing that she would get a 20M house in Lavington by chasing old men.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
FRM2011
#303 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 1:05:33 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn


Welcome to team Yawn😃

I have no sympathy for the Governor,I just want to see if what has been prosecuted in the public holds in the Court of Law
Really unfortunate that Sharon died,but she lived a very risky life. All would be well if she had spent time studying rather than sleeping around and wishing that she would get a 20M house in Lavington by chasing old men.


This is BS on steroids. You have no say on what Sharon should or should not have done with her life. Your advise is actually quite sound,but for your family.

There is a day teacher wanjiku did a joke on drinking and alcoholism. The alcoholic guy called Kiragu could ask people whether he had ever "borrowed" anyone's liver. "Mnasema ati ninachoma maini, nichawai kuja kwako nikaomba maini yako nikachome?"

Sharon lived her life the way she deemed fit. I am not buying this self-righteous judgmental crap from people who didn't know her.
sparkly
#304 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 1:59:10 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


DPP only need to prove that he procured his aides to commit the murder therefore an accesory to the murder.
Life is short. Live passionately.
kaka2za
#305 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:05:22 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,057
Location: Gwitu
FRM2011 wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn


Welcome to team Yawn😃

I have no sympathy for the Governor,I just want to see if what has been prosecuted in the public holds in the Court of Law
Really unfortunate that Sharon died,but she lived a very risky life. All would be well if she had spent time studying rather than sleeping around and wishing that she would get a 20M house in Lavington by chasing old men.


This is BS on steroids. You have no say on what Sharon should or should not have done with her life. Your advise is actually quite sound,but for your family.

There is a day teacher wanjiku did a joke on drinking and alcoholism. The alcoholic guy called Kiragu could ask people whether he had ever "borrowed" anyone's liver. "Mnasema ati ninachoma maini, nichawai kuja kwako nikaomba maini yako nikachome?"

Sharon lived her life the way she deemed fit. I am not buying this self-righteous judgmental crap from people who didn't know her.


It's neither a judgement nor advice. You can't advise a stiff!
As one Carson said,choices have consequences. She made a choice and suffered the consequences. Let her family mourn because for us it's just another thread on social media.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
murchr
#306 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:10:30 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it
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obiero
#307 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 5:45:10 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,503
Location: nairobi
murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it

I am writing this from Migori and I can tell you that his fate

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obiero
#308 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 5:46:42 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
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Location: nairobi
murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it

I am writing this from Migori and I can tell you that his fate at grassroots level is sealed.. No acquittal can appease the disquiet in the village. People are angry here

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obiero
#309 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 5:52:38 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,503
Location: nairobi
kaka2za wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn


Welcome to team Yawn😃

I have no sympathy for the Governor,I just want to see if what has been prosecuted in the public holds in the Court of Law
Really unfortunate that Sharon died,but she lived a very risky life. All would be well if she had spent time studying rather than sleeping around and wishing that she would get a 20M house in Lavington by chasing old men.


This is BS on steroids. You have no say on what Sharon should or should not have done with her life. Your advise is actually quite sound,but for your family.

There is a day teacher wanjiku did a joke on drinking and alcoholism. The alcoholic guy called Kiragu could ask people whether he had ever "borrowed" anyone's liver. "Mnasema ati ninachoma maini, nichawai kuja kwako nikaomba maini yako nikachome?"

Sharon lived her life the way she deemed fit. I am not buying this self-righteous judgmental crap from people who didn't know her.


It's neither a judgement nor advice. You can't advise a stiff!
As one Carson said,choices have consequences. She made a choice and suffered the consequences. Let her family mourn because for us it's just another thread on social media.

You clearly haven't been to campus.. Of late..

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kaka2za
#310 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:03:07 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,057
Location: Gwitu
obiero wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn


Welcome to team Yawn😃

I have no sympathy for the Governor,I just want to see if what has been prosecuted in the public holds in the Court of Law
Really unfortunate that Sharon died,but she lived a very risky life. All would be well if she had spent time studying rather than sleeping around and wishing that she would get a 20M house in Lavington by chasing old men.


This is BS on steroids. You have no say on what Sharon should or should not have done with her life. Your advise is actually quite sound,but for your family.

There is a day teacher wanjiku did a joke on drinking and alcoholism. The alcoholic guy called Kiragu could ask people whether he had ever "borrowed" anyone's liver. "Mnasema ati ninachoma maini, nichawai kuja kwako nikaomba maini yako nikachome?"

Sharon lived her life the way she deemed fit. I am not buying this self-righteous judgmental crap from people who didn't know her.


It's neither a judgement nor advice. You can't advise a stiff!
As one Carson said,choices have consequences. She made a choice and suffered the consequences. Let her family mourn because for us it's just another thread on social media.

You clearly haven't been to campus.. Of late..


Oh my! The worst we saw in our days was Carol Mutoko smoking at Rugby matches at UoN.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
obiero
#311 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:06:04 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,503
Location: nairobi
kaka2za wrote:
obiero wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Never ever ever dismiss witness statements because it was them who were at the scene of crime and went through hell. Unlike you and fellow bloggers who were at their computers farting and hitting the keyboard and pretending that they know more about the happenings than the witnesses on the ground.


A first year law student will tell you that testimonies from witnesses on their own are not enough to convict.
They need to be collaboratted.
Were there no witnesses in the ICC case?
All that Ombeta and Co need to do is prove reasonable doubt.


Yawnn


Welcome to team Yawn😃

I have no sympathy for the Governor,I just want to see if what has been prosecuted in the public holds in the Court of Law
Really unfortunate that Sharon died,but she lived a very risky life. All would be well if she had spent time studying rather than sleeping around and wishing that she would get a 20M house in Lavington by chasing old men.


This is BS on steroids. You have no say on what Sharon should or should not have done with her life. Your advise is actually quite sound,but for your family.

There is a day teacher wanjiku did a joke on drinking and alcoholism. The alcoholic guy called Kiragu could ask people whether he had ever "borrowed" anyone's liver. "Mnasema ati ninachoma maini, nichawai kuja kwako nikaomba maini yako nikachome?"

Sharon lived her life the way she deemed fit. I am not buying this self-righteous judgmental crap from people who didn't know her.


It's neither a judgement nor advice. You can't advise a stiff!
As one Carson said,choices have consequences. She made a choice and suffered the consequences. Let her family mourn because for us it's just another thread on social media.

You clearly haven't been to campus.. Of late..


Oh my! The worst we saw in our days was Carol Mutoko smoking at Rugby matches at UoN.

Liquid people I know like @maka have ability to offer campus girls upto 20K tax free on good days.. As in the girls total take home in one day can get that high.. Peer pressure balaa. Make sure you talk to your child and keep praying coz the streets are cold

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murchr
#312 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 7:00:24 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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obiero wrote:
murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it


I am writing this from Migori and I can tell you that his fate at grassroots level is sealed.. No acquittal can appease the disquiet in the village. People are angry here



That is a none issue wata tulia. The bottom line is the prosecutor needs to prove his case
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obiero
#313 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 7:12:20 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,503
Location: nairobi
murchr wrote:
obiero wrote:
murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it


I am writing this from Migori and I can tell you that his fate at grassroots level is sealed.. No acquittal can appease the disquiet in the village. People are angry here



That is a none issue wata tulia. The bottom line is the prosecutor needs to prove his case

The murderers plus eye witnesses have all linked him.. Of course he didn't commit the act itself but as an accomplice you do know that he will be jailed? Or you don't?

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newfarer
#314 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 8:13:43 PM
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Impunity
#315 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2018 9:55:17 PM
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Euge wrote:
Thitifini wrote:
Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What did the governor go to do in the kodera forest?
To confirm what really?
Did the villagers saw unusually high number of vehicles going to the forest?


Reports am seeing on the web say he was at the scene when lady was stripped and tied up. That he was furious and kicked her several times. Then left his boys to finish the job. There were only 2 cars at the scene, the KCL and the taxi he had hired to "the site".


This is now fake.


Seems fake to me too. It was said when they were abducted he was in nairobi, then some hours before body was discovered he was seen at police HQ. That's within say 36hrs, both times he being in nbo.

Fail to see how he did the 8hr drive 4 times within 36hrs.....

A short drive to Kisumu and then take a flight


It's not that short...some 4 mean hours required.
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mkenyan
#316 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2018 12:22:43 AM
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murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it

those are probably theories that kaka2za's first year law students would come up with. and that is why they are still in first year. coz their legal 'reasoning' is all bullshit.
for a start if your phone is linked to a crime and it is conveniently 'stolen' after the fact without you having reported it stolen before you realise what shit you are in then you can't use the stolen line. forget about the fact that the bts data will show that the stolen phone also went home with you. lets not get started on money transfer to killers being loans.
on bald men, assuming the stories are true, if the witnesses identification of obado were not based on recognition then an identification parade was probably held.
hardwood
#317 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2018 12:26:36 AM
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Gabana's accounts frozen over 2.5B fraud. Money wired to his kids abroad. 77 pieces of land also seized.

https://www.the-star.co....nts-over-graft_c1822503

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murchr
#318 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2018 5:58:48 AM
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mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it

those are probably theories that kaka2za's first year law students would come up with. and that is why they are still in first year. coz their legal 'reasoning' is all bullshit.
for a start if your phone is linked to a crime and it is conveniently 'stolen' after the fact without you having reported it stolen before you realise what shit you are in then you can't use the stolen line. forget about the fact that the bts data will show that the stolen phone also went home with you. lets not get started on money transfer to killers being loans.
on bald men, assuming the stories are true, if the witnesses identification of obado were not based on recognition then an identification parade was probably held.



Note in my assumptions I noted that depending on how Obado acted. We lose phones and choose to move on with no report to the police but ofcourse if the BTS stations continuedto show the movement to his home or wherever else he went to then he's nailed.

Its now upto the DPP.
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kaka2za
#319 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2018 7:19:25 AM
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Some things defy logic. One must be quite sharp to win the governor seat two times in South Nyanza against the wishes of the region's kingpin. I fail to understand how such a person could'
1. Kill a girl just because she was carrying his baby.
2.Why the killers proceeded with the mission after the journalist escaped
3.The PA was a military guy and military is about precision,why all the sloppiness in this hit?
4. Ukitaka kuua nyani usimwangalie macho. Why go to Kodero forest?

The case as reported looks so easy...I hope it is.
Tapping out on this now.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
mkenyan
#320 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2018 12:24:37 PM
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murchr wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
murchr wrote:
The post by @l0lest and Euge are the most plausible accounts of events that may nail Obado

They talk of a bald man = Ombeta can claim Obado is not bald. For someone to call you bald in the dark it clearly means you have no hair.

Communication with the suspects on phone doesn't prove much, you could have been sending me messages while you are committing the acts.

What will nail Obado, remember the prosecution has to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

1. Money transfers for procured services - that can be an uphill to prove Obado can claim that he was giving a loan etc.

2. BTS data. Even if your phones location settings are off, your cell phone registers it's self on the nearest cell tower ensuring that you never miss a call. So the DCI can get this data from Safcom or any other mobile subscribers out there. Ombeta on the other hand can claim Obados phone was stolen, depending on how Obado acted on that eventful day , a lost phone can introduce doubt to a claim.

Now if the DCI does not have enough evidence a mistrial might happen, then trying him again can almost be impossible because Ombeta will claim double jeopardy.

Think about it

those are probably theories that kaka2za's first year law students would come up with. and that is why they are still in first year. coz their legal 'reasoning' is all bullshit.
for a start if your phone is linked to a crime and it is conveniently 'stolen' after the fact without you having reported it stolen before you realise what shit you are in then you can't use the stolen line. forget about the fact that the bts data will show that the stolen phone also went home with you. lets not get started on money transfer to killers being loans.
on bald men, assuming the stories are true, if the witnesses identification of obado were not based on recognition then an identification parade was probably held.



Note in my assumptions I noted that depending on how Obado acted. We lose phones and choose to move on with no report to the police but ofcourse if the BTS stations continuedto show the movement to his home or wherever else he went to then he's nailed.

Its now upto the DPP.

get you now. and i agree.
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