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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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masukuma wrote:
yeah... roll your eyes all you want but I still haven't found a good reason for GOK not to SEIZE the property in question.
Government would seize it if the issue was about ownership. Fact is that it should never have been there in the 1st Place. Actually even government buildings on road reserve should go down too. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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masukuma wrote:
yeah... roll your eyes all you want but I still haven't found a good reason for GOK not to SEIZE the property in question.
It is being demolished because it sits on a road reserve.It also has some part of the pipeline.
Going foward someone will think twice before they grab public land.We are moving on well.Have you used outering road to see the mess around that buiding?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Bigchick wrote:masukuma wrote:
yeah... roll your eyes all you want but I still haven't found a good reason for GOK not to SEIZE the property in question.
It is being demolished because it sits on a road reserve.It also has some part of the pipeline.
Going foward someone will think twice before they grab public land.We are moving on well.Have you used outering road to see the mess around that buiding?
Masukuma is lost on monetary value. He forgets English is also important. The gov't has actually "seized" the said property. And will put it to proper use. A road reserve.
A road reserve is just as economically sound as a building. Ama namna gani? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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And to the economists out there,aren't roads also capital for inhabitants? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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kaka2za wrote:And to the economists out there,aren't roads also capital for inhabitants?
They are pretty important factors of economic growth. That's why they are a priority over your kabroti. The gov't can seize your kabroti to build a road for the greater good of the populace.
Taj Mall is worse since it is also a monument on corruption in Kenya. Win Win for Uhuru.
For waitituconomists on the other hand, hii ni chaba wana haribu. Wa gejega farafara juu ya Taj Mori. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937
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alma1 wrote:Bigchick wrote:masukuma wrote:
yeah... roll your eyes all you want but I still haven't found a good reason for GOK not to SEIZE the property in question.
It is being demolished because it sits on a road reserve.It also has some part of the pipeline.
Going foward someone will think twice before they grab public land.We are moving on well.Have you used outering road to see the mess around that buiding?
Masukuma is lost on monetary value. He forgets English is also important. The gov't has actually "seized" the said property. And will put it to proper use. A road reserve.
A road reserve is just as economically sound as a building. Ama namna gani?
The building created some crazy jam around there which wasted man hours which when costed made the country lose billions. So let it go, plus this manages impunity. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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masukuma wrote:once you are done with political statements, poems, warnings and other related gimmicks - you will still need to face the fact that Kenya has a huge issue with capital in general. some of the capital destroyed there was stolen from public coffers, some borrowed from banks e.t.c. that's capital that cannot be transferred anywhere. for a country that is always walking around with begging bowls - you surely have an interesting way of looking at capital in general.
Suddenly, you have my attention, and I come in peace.
The Republic of Kenya has numerous structures that have come up where they should not have as a result of "corruption".
So many resources have gone into such structures.
I would love to understand your opinion of the infamous Westone Hotel.
There is the rightful owner of the piece of land on which the business stands.
There is a development plan that the rightful owner had drawn up, the school or an extension of Wilson Airport, I do not recall.
In your opinion, should the structures that house the hotel come down if the "correct" plan is an extension of Wilson Airport?
Should the structures be turned into boarding, administrative and lecture halls for the primary school and may be extended into a secondary school if the rightful owner is the Department of Education?
Or should the hotel be handed over to the Ministry of Tourism via Utalii Hotel as a training facility?
Should the "current" owner of Weston Hotel receive compensation for the structures he has put up?
In the "compensation" part of the above question, I reference the "Waitiki" Saga at the Coast where Mzee Waitiki was compensated for the loss of his "piece" of land invaded by squatters.
Go ahead. Prove the brainchild behind Operation Green Suny the idiots they are.
Give us your opinion of the manner in which the Weston Hotel File should be handled without destroying Capital.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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aemathenge wrote:masukuma wrote:once you are done with political statements, poems, warnings and other related gimmicks - you will still need to face the fact that Kenya has a huge issue with capital in general. some of the capital destroyed there was stolen from public coffers, some borrowed from banks e.t.c. that's capital that cannot be transferred anywhere. for a country that is always walking around with begging bowls - you surely have an interesting way of looking at capital in general.
Suddenly, you have my attention, and I come in peace.
The Republic of Kenya has numerous structures that have come up where they should not have as a result of "corruption".
So many resources have gone into such structures.
I would love to understand your opinion of the infamous Westone Hotel.
There is the rightful owner of the piece of land on which the business stands.
There is a development plan that the rightful owner had drawn up, the school or an extension of Wilson Airport, I do not recall.
In your opinion, should the structures that house the hotel come down if the "correct" plan is an extension of Wilson Airport?
Should the structures be turned into boarding, administrative and lecture halls for the primary school and may be extended into a secondary school if the rightful owner is the Department of Education?
Or should the hotel be handed over to the Ministry of Tourism via Utalii Hotel as a training facility?
Should the "current" owner of Weston Hotel receive compensation for the structures he has put up?
In the "compensation" part of the above question, I reference the "Waitiki" Saga at the Coast where Mzee Waitiki was compensated for the loss of his "piece" of land invaded by squatters.
Go ahead. Prove the brainchild behind Operation Green Suny the idiots they are.
Give us your opinion of the manner in which the Weston Hotel File should be handled without destroying Capital.
At this rate,there might suggestions that convicts should not be jailed but should instead be allowed to work for government since jailing them would destroy capital. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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kaka2za wrote:aemathenge wrote:masukuma wrote:once you are done with political statements, poems, warnings and other related gimmicks - you will still need to face the fact that Kenya has a huge issue with capital in general. some of the capital destroyed there was stolen from public coffers, some borrowed from banks e.t.c. that's capital that cannot be transferred anywhere. for a country that is always walking around with begging bowls - you surely have an interesting way of looking at capital in general.
Suddenly, you have my attention, and I come in peace.
The Republic of Kenya has numerous structures that have come up where they should not have as a result of "corruption".
So many resources have gone into such structures.
I would love to understand your opinion of the infamous Westone Hotel.
There is the rightful owner of the piece of land on which the business stands.
There is a development plan that the rightful owner had drawn up, the school or an extension of Wilson Airport, I do not recall.
In your opinion, should the structures that house the hotel come down if the "correct" plan is an extension of Wilson Airport?
Should the structures be turned into boarding, administrative and lecture halls for the primary school and may be extended into a secondary school if the rightful owner is the Department of Education?
Or should the hotel be handed over to the Ministry of Tourism via Utalii Hotel as a training facility?
Should the "current" owner of Weston Hotel receive compensation for the structures he has put up?
In the "compensation" part of the above question, I reference the "Waitiki" Saga at the Coast where Mzee Waitiki was compensated for the loss of his "piece" of land invaded by squatters.
Go ahead. Prove the brainchild behind Operation Green Suny the idiots they are.
Give us your opinion of the manner in which the Weston Hotel File should be handled without destroying Capital.
At this rate,there might suggestions that convicts should not be jailed but should instead be allowed to work for government since jailing them would destroy capital.
I am talking about the jail term here.
Yes. The piece of land is stolen.
Yes. The "thief" at his own expense, has put up a hotel on the stolen piece of land.
Yes. The "rightful" Government Department has "re-possed" its piece of land.
Yes. The "re-possed" piece of land has "a structure" put upon it.
The question now becomes:
Should the rightful owner pull down the structures on its newly re-possed piece of land or use the structure for other purposes?
For Tajj Mall, it stands on a road and a pipeline.
As such, the structure must come down to give way to for the rightful road re-modeling and give access to the pipeline.
What about Weston?
How about separating the thief from the structure.
Punish the thief yes.
What should your tax money be better used for?
Destroying the structure or converting it into an economic or quasi-government institution such as a Hotel Training Institution?
Pray do tell.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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aemathenge wrote:kaka2za wrote:aemathenge wrote:masukuma wrote:once you are done with political statements, poems, warnings and other related gimmicks - you will still need to face the fact that Kenya has a huge issue with capital in general. some of the capital destroyed there was stolen from public coffers, some borrowed from banks e.t.c. that's capital that cannot be transferred anywhere. for a country that is always walking around with begging bowls - you surely have an interesting way of looking at capital in general.
Suddenly, you have my attention, and I come in peace.
The Republic of Kenya has numerous structures that have come up where they should not have as a result of "corruption".
So many resources have gone into such structures.
I would love to understand your opinion of the infamous Westone Hotel.
There is the rightful owner of the piece of land on which the business stands.
There is a development plan that the rightful owner had drawn up, the school or an extension of Wilson Airport, I do not recall.
In your opinion, should the structures that house the hotel come down if the "correct" plan is an extension of Wilson Airport?
Should the structures be turned into boarding, administrative and lecture halls for the primary school and may be extended into a secondary school if the rightful owner is the Department of Education?
Or should the hotel be handed over to the Ministry of Tourism via Utalii Hotel as a training facility?
Should the "current" owner of Weston Hotel receive compensation for the structures he has put up?
In the "compensation" part of the above question, I reference the "Waitiki" Saga at the Coast where Mzee Waitiki was compensated for the loss of his "piece" of land invaded by squatters.
Go ahead. Prove the brainchild behind Operation Green Suny the idiots they are.
Give us your opinion of the manner in which the Weston Hotel File should be handled without destroying Capital.
At this rate,there might suggestions that convicts should not be jailed but should instead be allowed to work for government since jailing them would destroy capital.
I am talking about the jail term here.
Yes. The piece of land is stolen.
Yes. The "thief" at his own expense, has put up a hotel on the stolen piece of land.
Yes. The "rightful" Government Department has "re-possed" its piece of land.
Yes. The "re-possed" piece of land has "a structure" put upon it.
The question now becomes:
Should the rightful owner pull down the structures on its newly re-possed piece of land or use the structure for other purposes?
For Tajj Mall, it stands on a road and a pipeline.
As such, the structure must come down to give way to for the rightful road re-modeling and give access to the pipeline.
What about Weston?
How about separating the thief from the structure.
Punish the thief yes.
What should your tax money be better used for?
Destroying the structure or converting it into an economic or quasi-government institution such as a Hotel Training Institution?
Pray do tell.
My fren, you can't chase birds away and leave their nests intact. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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